Israel at war

Butler1000

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I should have just scrolled down further and I would have seen you already got it.
Sorry.



Ahh.
The "Military action is the best way to support Democratic Values" approach, with a soupcon of "War crimes are just hard-headed realism".
Yes. Exactly. As opposed to continue to let Hamas fester for more decades.

Got a better solution?
 

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Disclaimer - I Hate Bibi

I agree with this in principle but that's just not facts on the ground. The most casualties Israel has experienced via terrorism the last 60 years all PALED in comparison with what happened on Oct 7. I'd call killing 1400+ civilians execution-style as a Hamas declaration of war - Bibi is absolutely right that this is a time for war. They are not people that can be reasoned with nor will Hamas even sit at the same table - so who the hell does Israel talk peace with? Netanyahu warned Biden right away that they would have to go in, so it's not like this is shocking. War is Hell and Israel is hellbent on finishing the one Hamas started.
Amazes me that some seem to expect Israel to “do something different”…When for 75 years, peace has been tried, and it’s always been rejected. Almost as though they don’t want to face reality. And the cycle here continues too
 

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Something must be done.
This is something.
Therefore this must be done.


It's terrible fucking logic and it gets used all the time and it almost never accomplishes anything good.
Lay out your peace plan, the people who you would have negotiate it, as in names and why you think they are proper representation on both sides who have the power to set terms in good faith that will be adhered to.

You are really good at bitching, but so far piss poor on offering anything worthwhile.
 

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Lay out your peace plan, the people who you would have negotiate it, as in names and why you think they are proper representation on both sides who have the power to set terms in good faith that will be adhered to.

You are really good at bitching, but so far piss poor on offering anything worthwhile.
Or simply ask them, why they think they are smarter and more capable than the dozens of people from Left and Right wing administrations plus others that haven’t been successful. And subsequently, if they think they are, why are they posting here, and not working for a government.
 

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As far as Israel’s “war crimes” go. All the whining in the world isn’t going to stop them. Not presently, not historically
Has it?

Or do you also naively believe the US or others are going to March into the knisset and slap cuffs on them and stop things that way. You must.

Or you can sit back, chill, accept the reality that Israel is going to do what Israel thinks is right for itself…that none of you are smarter or more capable than those that have and failed, and when the dust settles, if some want to pursue charges they can, and that’s when the pieces can be picked up…

aka “god grant me the serenity to accept the things I can not change and the wisdom….”


As far as the ground offensive goes.time will tell.
 
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That tweet was bullshit, I admit. It wasn't from Al Jazeera it was second hand posting of an arabic Al J video. Looks like its from a troll account as there are multiple copies. My bad, I should have checked it.

This is likely the real Al J video, though its not off of their social feed but at least is watermarked. Are these flares or WP?
Neither. Flares fall slowly, those are falling fast. Here's a video of known WP. Note the conic dispersion from the point of burst.


Ignore the comments though; they're also arguing that WP is an incindiary and a war crime, which is wrong. But at least you can see actual WP use.

No, as you previously noted its about whether the courts would rule that the targets were civilian or disproportionate. I accept they wouldn't press charges as chemical weapons or incendiary devices.
Where did I note that?

You want me to give an opinion on it the Court's will or won't rule that targets hit by Israel with WP are civilian or not, from a video that doesn't even show WP, and despite the fact that I've made no comments about the civilian targets?

I wish you would quit strawmanning me. I've been very clear: the only issue I had with your post was that the video shown was not WP and that the comments accompanying it stating the use of WP was a war crime were incorrect. That's the extent of what I said and it's disingenuous to try and twist my words and ask me to defend something else.
 
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Butler1000

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Starving people is a war crime. Why do you support war crimes?
Waiting out terrorists in the holes isn't. Have you seen what going to happen? They cut off that 7km section from the south. Next will be to move any civilians out while vetting all the men. As well as transfer any patients to real israeli care. Aid will now probably be allowed into the south fully.

And the IDF will systematically demolish every shred of Hamas. People, bunkers, tunnels, stocked supplies, all of it. They will shut off the air circulation in the tunnels to drive them out. And either capture or kill them. Those that don't get buried alive by munitions.

Its a very good strategy.
 
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Or simply ask them, why they think they are smarter and more capable than the dozens of people from Left and Right wing administrations plus others that haven’t been successful. And subsequently, if they think they are, why are they posting here, and not working for a government.
Already did. Crickets.
 

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Waiting out terrorists in the holes isn't. Have you seen what going to happen? They cut off that 7km section from the south. Next will be to move any civilians out while vetting all the men. As well as transfer any patients to real israeli care. Aid will now probably be allowed into the south fully.

And the IDF will systematically demolish every shred of Hamas. People, bunkers, tunnels, stocked supplies, all of it. They will shut off the air circulation in the tunnels to drive them out. And either capture or kill them. Those that don't get buried alive by munitions.

Its a very good strategy.
Was there a change in your medication that caused this hallucination?
 

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As far as Israel’s “war crimes” go. All the whining in the world isn’t going to stop them. Not presently, not historically
Has it?
You should change your handle to Not getting smarter. Your historical knowledge is weak. Israeli politicians and military leaders have shown themselves not too brave when the threat of arrest for war crimes is a possibility. There are multiple instances of IsraelI politicians and military leaders refusing to leave airplanes or getting the first flight out of town when arrest was rumored about to occur.
 

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Starving people is a war crime. Why do you support war crimes?
Once Hamas are surrounded Israel will (or ought to) give them the option to release all non-combatant civilians. If they refuse all resulting collateral damage will be blood thats on their hands
 

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They are in the process of doing just that in real time. Do you think Hamas is going defeat the IDF?
They already have routed the IDF. Nothing will ever change that. It will be taught in military colleges around the world forever. It’s slaughter of thousands of civilians and children is testament to its incompetence.
 
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