Its telling that you think Ukrainian occupation is wrong but Palestinian occupation is right because of your views of the race of those occupied.I don’t recall Ukrainians shooting up music festivals and taking children and elderly hostages
but it’s telling that you attempt to equal the two
That must make you feel proud.Meanwhile
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Israel confirms arrest of Al-Shifa Hospital director in Gaza
abcnews.go.com
Finkelstein is going in circles and is full of shit. Ah, so grabbing the righties mantra about Wiki being fake information, interesting. So we are supposed to go by the biased links you posted and Hamas's version of history?? I see!Until and unless a solution is created for the Israel Palestine conflict which essentially involves giving statehood to the Palestinians, and not more of the status quo, this conflict will continue to exact a huge human cost, that will only get worse. Which means and I am telling you right now in 2023, a future terror attack worse than October 7, is coming, unless a resolution is worked on. And it wont be an isolated attack. It will be in response to Israel's current response, and any other oppressive measures that they have planned for Gaza going forward, which am very sure of.
BTW anybody can edit a wikipedia article. I actually linked some very good documentaries earlier, watch them.
Any government or state can be evil. But most of the evil shit is always done by the most powerful (at any point in time). That has been the west for the last 300 years or so. So as a consequence a majority of evil shit we see today originated in the West.
Think about the majority of the most recent evil things that have happened in the last 300 years:
- Colonialism
- Slavery
- Segregation
- The Holocaust and other genocides such as the Armenian genocide etc.,
- Communism.
- WW 1 and 2
- Weapons of Mass Destruction
- Invasions of sovereign nations in the name of war on terror.
- Economic aggressions.
Where did those originate from? The east? No, it is the west. Now am not saying nothing evil came out of other parts of the world, including India. Of course they did. But the majority of evil shit came out of the west because of the actions of the most powerful people, who happen to be in the west.
I will also say simultaneously good things have also come from the west namely, democracy, scientific development and so on. But you cannot just see the good and ignore the bad. You have to unequivocally call it out.
Kudos to Piers for bringing Finkelstein on. Piers has learned by being unbiased he can actually rake up more views!![]()
Tell me how you justify this killing.I don’t recall Ukrainians shooting up music festivals and taking children and elderly hostages
but it’s telling that you attempt to equal the two
You do realize that any and all edits must be approved. You cannot just go in and edit at will and it's in print, you know that right??I haven't yet watched Finkelstein's interview, so cannot comment on it. But watch his other interviews even before this conflict. It is also fact that anyone can edit Wikipedia. I can right now go and edit the page you linked. And I said I linked documentaries that were made by the History channel. Not by Hamas, unless you are claiming Hamas owns the History channel.
When you refer to the West - the west is not just the US, but all of Europe the Americas, Australia and New Zealand (even though Australia and New Zealand are geographically in the east). But sure, even with the US, plenty of those things I laid out applies. The point is not which western countries you are willing to consider but is what I called evil and having originated in the west, actually untrue? BTW I should have included Zionism as well. I forgot to. I edited my post just now. How could I leave that out in an Israel thread?!![]()
I don't hate palestinians...i don't like Hamas...their terrorists...do you like Hamas?Are you that clueless?
Or are you going to try to justify war crimes by saying you hate Palestinians and Hamas so they deserved the war crimes and collective punishment?
They'd be killing a lot more if what you say is true...but keep going with your fantasy....They are killing as many as they thought they could get away with.
Same as they do every time.
Israel kills until the US stops them.
Nah...this room will be boring with nobody to play with....Who wants to be the first to put Kautilya (aka Frankfooter) on ignore??
Should I do the honors??
Palestinians don't violently resist...they protest....Hamas on the other hand violently murder people...you think that's legal?Do you think Palestinians have the legal right to violently resist an occupation the UN has labelled 'illegal'?
The same right you give Ukrainians against a Russian occupation?
No mention of Oct. 7.I've done it so many times I have link. Hamas, like Israel, should be investigated and charged for all war crimes including targeting civilians.
I love how these guys keep claiming to support Palestinian rights while demanding that Palestinians be forced into a One State peace they detest.Good luck and dream on that a one-state solution will happen but hey, you be you and whatever makes you sleep better at night. As for your version, I'd rather rely on a unclouded version of events which you can find here
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History of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Also, you always seem to have an angst against the Western world. They are always the evil ones in your eyes yet, here you are.
Just like Oct. 7 was not a terror attack.That's not cancel culture.
Do you intentionally ignore the context of the atrocities committed by Arab and Palestinians in the same time? Do you intentionally ignore that more than half of Israeli Jews are in Israel because they were chased from their Arab homes due to violent antisemitism and no other country was willing to take them?... the atrocities committed by the Israelis, the motivations of the state of Israel etc.,...
Franky keeps pretending that violent attacks are peaceful protest.Palestinians don't violently resist...they protest....Hamas on the other hand violently murder people...you think that's legal?
TERB's KKK, don't really care about the women and children. They are using them to push their narrative the exact same way that Hamas is using them for shielding.Instead, if Hamas in the first week gave back all of the hostages and surrendered. Yes, unfortunately, the leaders would have to give up all their riches and lavish lifestyle but imagine how many babies and women would have been spared all this hell