Pickering Angels

Israel at war

Phil C. McNasty

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Just admit you support the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for the Palestinians of Gaza and West Bank. You wrote those words own them, Slobodan's butler
I don't think Butler (or anyone else )wants to see ethic cleansing of Gazans.
We just want Hamas destroyed
 
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I don't think Butler (or anyone else )wants to see ethic cleansing of Gazans.
We just want Hamas destroyed
What does "the endgame is going to be the removal of most Palestinians" mean to you? How about, "It (Gaza) and the West Bank are going to be resettled. They have to." Pretty clear. Yes, hamas has to go. But all this is doing is creating more extremism on both sides.

Um, I 100% support Israel but the endgame is going to be the removal of most Palestinians. It may take 50 years but its going to happen, with a small amount assimilating.

It and the West Bank and going to be resettled. They have to. Then the borders to the south with Egypt and Jordan can be better secured. And they will have defense in depth. Set up increased Iron Dome placements and secure Tel Aviv.

The Lebanese border and Syrian border will be threats for a while. But removing what are essentially interior security threats will go a long way.
 

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That's not what I posted... Hamas has inflicted the worst damage to the palestinian people...women and children... Palestinians are not hamas...Hamas are terrorists...
Take back that you think I'm a hamas supporter and I'll take back what I've said about you.
 
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Just admit you support the ethnic cleansing and collective punishment for the Palestinians of Gaza and West Bank. You wrote those words own them, Slobodan's butler.
Ready for the next part?

Hamas was fooled and betrayed by Iran. Yep, this is a very real probability. I mean, why would Hamas go at it alone? They had to know this would happen. But they did it anyway. What I think happened was Iran needed to derail the Saudi/Israel peace treaty/trade deal so told Hamas "we got your back". That they would coordinate attacks with Hezbollah, and other various border brigades to "overwhelm the Jew Infidels " and other such religious Jihad nonsense. Set a date.

Then sat back and watched. Even going so far to say "Hey, their crazy, we didn't sanction this!" . And Hamas can't say shit or they look like fools. And weakness is a death sentence in Muslim world. They irdered Hezbollah to do a few token rockets and sporatic attacks for face, but nothing real.

Iran gets to derail the treaty, ramp up the propaganda, and see a bunch of Sunni Muslims and Jews killed, without any danger to themselves. It was a short game they needed to do. And the Palestinians are expendable to Shia Muslims. Useful tools at one time, but really the steady losses, rampant corruption and sheer stupidity of them has made them more of a long term liability now.

And the other Sunni muslim nations prefer to fight the Shia ones for now as they consider them a greater threat than Israel. The Palestinians choosing to ally themselves with Shia Muslims is a betrayal to Sunni. Hence their turning their backs beyond public statements with zero actual military aid.

The Palestinians really have no allies of worth left. Just some useful idiots in the West with no real power.

You really are backing losers if you think they are the spear tip to take out Israel. I'd call Hamas a paper tiger, but they are more like paper dogs or swine at this point.
 
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That's not what I posted... Hamas has inflicted the worst damage to the palestinian people...women and children... Palestinians are not hamas...Hamas are terrorists...
Your use of the word 'terrorist' is racist.
You refuse to apply it based on any other definition than race.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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What does "the endgame is going to be the removal of most Palestinians" mean to you? How about, "It (Gaza) and the West Bank are going to be resettled. They have to." Pretty clear. Yes, hamas has to go. But all this is doing is creating more extremism on both sides
For Israel there is no other choice.
They have to go into Gaza and finish off Hamas
 
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Take back that you think I'm a hamas supporter and I'll take back what I've said about you.
Um...no...Condemn Hamas and say Hamas are terrorists and they are the reason why palestinians are suffering...that will prove me wrong...
 
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I don't think Butler (or anyone else )wants to see ethic cleansing of Gazans.
We just want Hamas destroyed
Do I want this? Of course not, I want the Palestinians to come to their senses, give up on the death cult, and built a just secular society and can prosper and be a good world citizen.

But we know that won't happen, so I picked a side, and explained why. Its all objecive to me. I truly have little emotion in this. I just see the stupidity. And futility. And gamesmanship the Palestinians are pawns of. But they have to do it themselves, or like any other adult who keeps making bad decisions, live with the consequences.
 

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Ready for the next part?

Hamas was fooled and betrayed by Iran. Yep, this is a very real probability. I mean, why would Hamas go at it alone? They had to know this would happen. But they did it anyway. What I think happened was Iran needed to derail the Saudi/Israel peace treaty/trade deal so told Hamas "we got your back". That they would coordinate attacks with Hezbollah, and other various border brigades to "overwhelm the Jew Infidels " and other such religious Jihad nonsense. Set a date.

Then sat back and watched. Even going so far to say "Hey, their crazy, we didn't sanction this!" . And Hamas can't say shit or they look like fools. And weakness is a death sentence in Muslim world. They irdered Hezbollah to do a few token rockets and sporatic attacks for face, but nothing real.

Iran gets to derail the treaty, ramp up the propaganda, and see a bunch of Sunni Muslims and Jews killed, without any danger to themselves. It was a short game they needed to do. And the Palestinians are expendable to Shia Muslims. Useful tools at one time, but really the steady losses, rampant corruption and sheer stupidity of them has made them more of a long term liability now.

And the other Sunni muslim nations prefer to fight the Shia ones for now as they consider them a greater threat than Israel. The Palestinians choosing to ally themselves with Shia Muslims is a betrayal to Sunni. Hence their turning their backs beyond public statements with zero actual military aid.

The Palestinians really have no allies of worth left. Just some useful idiots in the West with no real power.

You really are backing losers if you think they are the spear tip to take out Israel. I'd call Hamas a paper tiger, but they are more like paper dogs or swine at this point.

The next part will be video and reporting coming out of Gaza, despite Israel killing most of the journalists there.

Followed by lawsuits.

Followed by investigations into propaganda.

Followed by more political pressure and boycotts.
 

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Hamas isn't a race...you just took woke-ism to another level...
You, like shack and others here, refuse to differentiate between civilians and Hamas.
Shack calls Palestinians 'vermin' to justify killing children.
Feel free to clarify your views here or I'll just lump you in with shack.
Otherwise you'd be fuming at Israel killing 6,000 children and killing more UN workers than Hamas.

 

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Do I want this? Of course not, I want the Palestinians to come to their senses, give up on the death cult, and built a just secular society and can prosper and be a good world citizen.

But we know that won't happen, so I picked a side, and explained why. Its all objecive to me. I truly have little emotion in this. I just see the stupidity. And futility. And gamesmanship the Palestinians are pawns of. But they have to do it themselves, or like any other adult who keeps making bad decisions, live with the consequences.
the real losers are the palestinians kids, young enought o can't make their own decisions and are indoctrinated that Israel is the enemy and should be wiped out from the middle east....
 

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You, like shack and others here, refuse to differentiate between civilians and Hamas.
Otherwise you'd be fuming at Israel killing 6,000 children and killing more UN workers than Hamas.

I just differentiated it for you...Hamas doesn't represent palestinians...they represent the movement to "cleanse Jews" ... unfortunately, a lot of Palestinians bought into the cause...a lot of Palestinians don't like them but have no choice....bad day huh? you kinda just rambling nonsense...
 
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For Israel there is no other choice.
They have to go into Gaza and finish off Hamas
No other choice but to remove most Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank? No one is claiming that civilian deaths are avoidable in war but the amount of civilian deaths and devastation in Gaza really does look like collective punishment to myself any many others.
 

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No other choice but to remove most Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank? No one is claiming that civilian deaths are avoidable in war but the amount of civilian deaths and devastation in Gaza really does look like collective punishment to myself any many others.
collective punishment from Hamas who told them to ignore the call for evacuation...
 

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I just differentiated it for you...Hamas doesn't represent palestinians...they represent the movement to "cleanse Jews" ... unfortunately, a lot of Palestinians bought into the cause...a lot of Palestinians don't like them but have no choice....bad day huh? you kinda just rambling nonsense...
No you did not differentiate between Hamas and Palestinian civilians.

Try answering this:
Is it wrong for Israel to kill 6000 children in Gaza?

Please answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
 
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collective punishment from Hamas who told them to ignore the call for evacuation...
The collective punishment is from Israel, through the blockade and siege.
If you are against collective punishment will you say its wrong to block food and water from 1.2 million children in Gaza?

Answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
 
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