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richaceg

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Do I want this? Of course not, I want the Palestinians to come to their senses, give up on the death cult, and built a just secular society and can prosper and be a good world citizen.

But we know that won't happen, so I picked a side, and explained why. Its all objecive to me. I truly have little emotion in this. I just see the stupidity. And futility. And gamesmanship the Palestinians are pawns of. But they have to do it themselves, or like any other adult who keeps making bad decisions, live with the consequences.
the real losers are the palestinians kids, young enought o can't make their own decisions and are indoctrinated that Israel is the enemy and should be wiped out from the middle east....
 

richaceg

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You, like shack and others here, refuse to differentiate between civilians and Hamas.
Otherwise you'd be fuming at Israel killing 6,000 children and killing more UN workers than Hamas.

I just differentiated it for you...Hamas doesn't represent palestinians...they represent the movement to "cleanse Jews" ... unfortunately, a lot of Palestinians bought into the cause...a lot of Palestinians don't like them but have no choice....bad day huh? you kinda just rambling nonsense...
 
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versitile1

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For Israel there is no other choice.
They have to go into Gaza and finish off Hamas
No other choice but to remove most Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank? No one is claiming that civilian deaths are avoidable in war but the amount of civilian deaths and devastation in Gaza really does look like collective punishment to myself any many others.
 

richaceg

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No other choice but to remove most Palestinians from Gaza and West Bank? No one is claiming that civilian deaths are avoidable in war but the amount of civilian deaths and devastation in Gaza really does look like collective punishment to myself any many others.
collective punishment from Hamas who told them to ignore the call for evacuation...
 

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I just differentiated it for you...Hamas doesn't represent palestinians...they represent the movement to "cleanse Jews" ... unfortunately, a lot of Palestinians bought into the cause...a lot of Palestinians don't like them but have no choice....bad day huh? you kinda just rambling nonsense...
No you did not differentiate between Hamas and Palestinian civilians.

Try answering this:
Is it wrong for Israel to kill 6000 children in Gaza?

Please answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
 
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collective punishment from Hamas who told them to ignore the call for evacuation...
The collective punishment is from Israel, through the blockade and siege.
If you are against collective punishment will you say its wrong to block food and water from 1.2 million children in Gaza?

Answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
 

versitile1

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Um...no...Condemn Hamas and say Hamas are terrorists and they are the reason why palestinians are suffering...that will prove me wrong...
So you do support the collective punishment and ethnic cleansing of Palestinian civilians. That's what I thought.
 
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shack

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If you can't even remember what you wrote in the previous post, then there's no point in having any discussion with you. Play your stupid word games with someone else. Show a post with me supporting Hamas, or even terrorism, or shut up.
Make up excuses and run away. You're the one playing word games. You should be proud of who you support. Embrace it.

You've told us what you didn't say. That still leaves a lot of other options. What DO you say regarding Oct. 7? Was it a terror attack?
 
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richaceg

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No you did not differentiate between Hamas and Palestinian civilians.

Try answering this:
Is it wrong for Israel to kill 6000 children in Gaza?

Please answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
it's wrong to intentionally kill 6000 children in Gaza....
 

richaceg

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No you did not differentiate between Hamas and Palestinian civilians.

Try answering this:
Is it wrong for Israel to kill 6000 children in Gaza?

Please answer without using the word 'Hamas'.
Was there anything that lead to the bombing of some areas in Gaza? or Israel just decided to bomb Gaza for no reason at all?
 

versitile1

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Ready for the next part?

Hamas was fooled and betrayed by Iran. Yep, this is a very real probability. I mean, why would Hamas go at it alone? They had to know this would happen. But they did it anyway. What I think happened was Iran needed to derail the Saudi/Israel peace treaty/trade deal so told Hamas "we got your back". That they would coordinate attacks with Hezbollah, and other various border brigades to "overwhelm the Jew Infidels " and other such religious Jihad nonsense. Set a date.

Then sat back and watched. Even going so far to say "Hey, their crazy, we didn't sanction this!" . And Hamas can't say shit or they look like fools. And weakness is a death sentence in Muslim world. They irdered Hezbollah to do a few token rockets and sporatic attacks for face, but nothing real.

Iran gets to derail the treaty, ramp up the propaganda, and see a bunch of Sunni Muslims and Jews killed, without any danger to themselves. It was a short game they needed to do. And the Palestinians are expendable to Shia Muslims. Useful tools at one time, but really the steady losses, rampant corruption and sheer stupidity of them has made them more of a long term liability now.

And the other Sunni muslim nations prefer to fight the Shia ones for now as they consider them a greater threat than Israel. The Palestinians choosing to ally themselves with Shia Muslims is a betrayal to Sunni. Hence their turning their backs beyond public statements with zero actual military aid.

The Palestinians really have no allies of worth left. Just some useful idiots in the West with no real power.

You really are backing losers if you think they are the spear tip to take out Israel. I'd call Hamas a paper tiger, but they are more like paper dogs or swine at this point.
You keep bringing up this Islamophobic "death cult" hate speech. You claim to know what all Muslims think, at all times. You try to justify your hate by bringing up past, unrelated conflicts. Your ideas have been rejected by Canadian society. But hey, at least some people on terb like you, sometimes.
 

versitile1

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Make up excuses and run away. You're the one playing word games. You should be proud of who you support. Embrace it.

You've told us what you didn't say. That still leaves a lot of other options. What DO you say regarding Oct. 7? Was it a terror attack?
Find a post of me supporting hamas, or even terrorism. Or shut up. I'm not here to answer your dumb questions.
 
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shack

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No, legally they do not.
They are the military occupying power and Gaza is occupied territory, not a foreign country.
And they are still a sovereign state with not only the right, but the duty to defend itself.

Gaza is not part of Israel. It is not within Israel's borders.
 
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shack

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Find a post of me supporting hamas,
By your logic, show us a post where you condemn Hamas.

I'm not here to answer your dumb questions.
Because you're not man enough to answer. You don't have conviction.

Once again, you are only telling us what you didn't say or support. That still leaves a lot of other options. What DO you say regarding Oct. 7? Was it a terror attack?
 

richaceg

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By refusing to answer you are confirming you support collective punishment on civilians.
I didn't refuse your question at all...i'm a straight shooter...I just answered you....Hamas inflicted collective punishment on civilians...somehow you think we can avoid putting Hamas in the topic...that's why you are a Hamas sympathizer because you try to have a debate but let's not put Hamas in the discussion...they were the center of this topic because of Oct 7...This is why, you will never win an argument...you avoid the very reason why the suffering of palestinians just escalated...You can play dumb, you can dance around but anybody with common sense here know what you are...just like versatile1...
 
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