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toguy5252 said:
On what do you base your statement that sny of the bombing by is really is purely punitive.
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Where is my statement claiming that? You're asking me to defend a statement I never made. That's called a strawman.

I said the attacks on Japan weren't purely punitive or they would be illegal. I didn't say Israel's attacks were. However, I only got involved in a thread responding to someone who implied they were, which is why I have considered relevant to bring up.
 
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richaceg said:
the war crimes were committed on Oct 7...not after...
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War crimes were committed on October 7th and after. Arguing your war crime was done in response to a war crime doesn't absolve you. Go study the Hague Conventions and when you understand how non-reciprocity works get back to me.

Hamas is committing war crimes and should be held accountable. Israel is committing war crimes and should be held accountable.
 
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DinkleMouse said:
War crimes were committed on October 7th and after. Arguing your war crime was done in response to a war crime doesn't absolve you. Go study the Hague Conventions and when you understand how non-reciprocity works get back to me.

Hamas is committing war crimes and should be held accountable. Israel is committing war crimes and should be held accountable.
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And no one is holding Hamas accountable...UN has been failing for the longest time now....If they wanted Countries to be held accountable, they should've done it a long time ago....there are no war crimes when dealing with terrorists...
 
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richaceg said:
And no one is holding Hamas accountable...UN has been failing for the longest time now....If they wanted Countries to be held accountable, they should've done it a long time ago....there are no war crimes when dealing with terrorists...
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If you're asking me to speak on behalf of the UN or somehow influence their opinion, I can't help you. But it's pretty disingenuous of you to ask me to anyway. I'm not responsible for anyone else's opinion. This is the type of bullshit that causes me to call you out as a troll. It's very bad faith.
 
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If you're asking me to speak on behalf of the UN or somehow influence their opinion, I can't help you. But it's pretty disingenuous of you to ask me to anyway. I'm not responsible for anyone else's opinion. This is the type of bullshit that causes me to call you out as a troll. It's very bad faith.
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What's the bullshit here? If there are no condemnation of Hamas...one should expect there won't be on what the consequences to their actions...this conflict is historical and look at it on the view on what were committed in between....a terrorist act and retribution...those 2 aren't alike...you can make your own assumption...what you have is an opinion....
 
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bggolfingmaniac said:
What a stupid response considering she was found fucking decapitated.

I wish anyone luck that engages with you, because I don't talk to anti-semites. Ignored.
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As I said, probably blown up by Israeli bombs. It’s happened to 8000 other people.
 
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Kautilya said:
I said in a much earlier post. Any action that Israel does in Gaza, is going to pretty much be a war crime. I mean there are only civilian buildings in Gaza. Israel cut off power, water, food and essentials to Gaza, which is actually a war crime by definition.
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It's not that cut and dry. Cutting off utilities and supplies in support of a lawful military operation is not a war crime. The ICC is investigating to determine if this is the case or if this is purely punitive. If it's purely punitive, that would make it a war crime. Or if the military operation(s) it was done in support of turn out to be unlawful.
 
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Klatuu said:
israel is much more prolific at this. They’ve blown up 3000 Palestinian children
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To use your own words, one can only assume Israel decided to return the favor
 
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Klatuu said:
Hamas killed 3000 children? That’s news. Do you have a link?
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If they could kill 3,000 children, they would.
And it wouldnt stop at 3,000, it would be closer to a million
 
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Kautilya said:
I said in a much earlier post. Any action that Israel does in Gaza, is going to pretty much be a war crime. I mean there are only civilian buildings in Gaza. Israel cut off power, water, food and essentials to Gaza, which is actually a war crime by definition. Then they do the absolute bare minimum, purely performatively, asking the Gazans to evacuate etc. and just hit everything they think is a Hamas hideout with no regard for civilian casualties.

Then there is the Israeli attitude, many of which I have personally observed on my friends list on FB, where every single one has been calling for collective punishments. If this is just normal people, I have no doubt this attitude prevails in the army too. Here is a pic from my friends FB page. I had to unfollow this guy for all the racist shit he posts. Today he posted "Pallywood", where this video showed Palestinians using make up to simulate deaths, which was disgusting given the images we have all seen from Gaza. I mean how deluded do you have to be to post that nonsense?

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Also here is the link to war crime definitions of the UN:

United Nations Office on Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect

Genocide Prevention and the Responsibility to Protect
www.un.org

Excerpts: And Israel has committed some or almost all of these. And Hamas too.
  1. Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;
  2. Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;
  3. Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;
  4. Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;
  5. Taking of hostages
  6. Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;
  7. Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives
  8. Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;
  9. The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;
  10. Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;
  11. Declaring that no quarter will be given;
  12. Destroying or seizing the enemy's property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;
  13. Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including willfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions;
So you know, its fucked up.
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-Israel issued a warning
-Israel didn't totally cut off water and electricity, they cut off northern Gaza to force civilians to flee south
IMO...UN is probably drafting a resolution that will result to Bibi go to trial when all this is done....what will happen with Hamas? They don't answer to the UN...they will keep receiving their funds, they will rebuild their tunnels, buy more rockets for the palestinians..not sure if UN will even try Bibi.....
they seem to be very complacent and have no clue how to proceed...
 
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