Israel at war

richaceg

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Israel's blockade and siege are collective punishments.
You refuse to condemn or even discuss them.
So answer the question...did Israel just decided to cross the border and started shooting at palestinians? that's an easy one...
 

Frankfooter

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That was completely uncalled for although it’s not like we should have any expectations of terrorist sympathizers
Why do zionists say everyone who backs Palestinian human rights is a 'terrorist sympathizer'?

Are you calling all Palestinians 'terrorists'?
 

squeezer

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Yeah hell to pay for innocent Palestinian civilians. Not Hamas. Hence why it is a war crime. Per international law.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on International Law, so not let me ask you, based on the actions of Hamas which brought down hell on its citizens, what good has this talking point you and protestors alike seem to grasp on done for the innocent Palestinians?

Instead, if Hamas in the first week gave back all of the hostages and surrendered. Yes, unfortunately, the leaders would have to give up all their riches and lavish lifestyle but imagine how many babies and women would have been spared all this hell and brimstone brought upon them by a powerful country defending themselves from a terrorist organization in charge of Gaza. So again I warn you because I like you, do not throw ketchup on anyone unless you are sure you can back it up or at the very least can out run them.
 
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Leimonis

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Why do zionists say everyone who backs Palestinian human rights is a 'terrorist sympathizer'?

Are you calling all Palestinians 'terrorists'?
Definitely not calling all of them terrorists.
However.
In fact, a clear majority of Palestinians said in a pollcarried out after the attacks by the Ramallah-based Arab World for Research and Development that they either "strongly supported" (59%) or "supported to some extent" (16%) the Oct. 7 attacks carried by Hamas.
 

Frankfooter

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I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on International Law, so not let me ask you, based on the actions of Hamas which brought down hell on its citizens, what good has this talking point you and protestors alike seem to grasp on done for the innocent Palestinians?

Instead, if Hamas in the first week gave back all of the hostages and surrendered. Yes, unfortunately, the leaders would have to give up all their riches and lavish lifestyle but imagine how many babies and women would have been spared all this hell and brimstone brought upon them by a powerful country defending themselves from a terrorist organization in charge of Gaza. So again I warn you because I like you, do not throw ketchup on anyone unless you are sure you can back it up or at the very least can out run them.
Israelis already had killed 200 Palestinians in 2023 before Oct, they had already backed settler pogroms on villages and over 200 settler terrorist attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank. Gaza was living through the 15th year of an illegal blockade with no peace talks and no sign of progress.

This is what has been happening there for the last 75 years, Israel takes land bit by bit, Palestinians fight back, Israel kills 10x the number and continues taking more land.

This was never about Hamas, this has always been about the zionist colonial movement to wipe Palestine off the map and slowly take their land from them.

 
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Frankfooter

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Definitely not calling all of them terrorists.
However.
In fact, a clear majority of Palestinians said in a pollcarried out after the attacks by the Ramallah-based Arab World for Research and Development that they either "strongly supported" (59%) or "supported to some extent" (16%) the Oct. 7 attacks carried by Hamas.
Do you think Palestinians have the legal right to violently resist an occupation the UN has labelled 'illegal'?
The same right you give Ukrainians against a Russian occupation?
 

squeezer

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Your question and subsequent justifications would be valid under 2 conditions:

a) Gaza was a free state ruled by the crazy Hamas.
b) This entire thing started on October 7 and absolutely nothing happened before October 7.

But that is not the case. The truth is that

a) Gaza is not a free state. It is not even a state. It is territory controlled by Israel by land, air and sea, including basic essentials such as food, water and electricity (which they turned off mind you, which is a heinous war crime). If the Israelis could they would control the air that those people breathe.

b) This is one of the battles in a 75 year old permanent state of war during which, yes the Palestinians have conducted terror attacks. But the Israelis have not just conducted terror attacks but they have dehumanized and violently dispossessed the Palestinians.

The reason nothing good happens to the Palestinians is because the Western World, which is where all the political and economic power is, supports Israel, and enables the brutalization of the Palestinians despite actually knowing what is going on over there.

The Palestinians are the ones on the receiving end of violence and therefore, simply telling them, "Just sit down, stay quiet and suck it up" is not going to work. Any population in those conditions will rebel, and suffer losses at the same time. Its been the case throughout history. The indigenous people went through the same thing here in North America too, until the colonizing forces made peace in a one state solution. Something which Israel needs to do now.
Good luck and dream on that a one-state solution will happen but hey, you be you and whatever makes you sleep better at night. As for your version, I'd rather rely on a unclouded version of events which you can find here


Also, you always seem to have an angst against the Western world. They are always the evil ones in your eyes yet, here you are.
 
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Do you think Palestinians have the legal right to violently resist an occupation the UN has labelled 'illegal'?
The same right you give Ukrainians against a Russian occupation?
I don’t recall Ukrainians shooting up music festivals and taking children and elderly hostages

but it’s telling that you attempt to equal the two
 

squeezer

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I don’t recall Ukrainians shooting up music festivals and taking children and elderly hostages
Yes, it happened at Putin's pool party. You weren't paying attention. Zelensky posed as a dancer and it went something like this


Ra-ra Putin
Lover of the Russian queens
They put some poison into his wine
Ra-ra Putin
Russia's greatest love machine on horseback
He drank it all and said, "I feel fine"
Ra-ra-Putin
Lover of the Russian queens
Zelensky didn't quit, he wanted his head
Ra-ra-Putin
Russia's greatest love machine
And so he shot him 'til he was dead
Oh, those Ukrainians
 

Frankfooter

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I don’t recall Ukrainians shooting up music festivals and taking children and elderly hostages

but it’s telling that you attempt to equal the two
Its telling that you think Ukrainian occupation is wrong but Palestinian occupation is right because of your views of the race of those occupied.

Ukrainians just hit a Russian concert by the way, I didn't see you complaining.

Israel is also holding 3000 Palestinian women and children as hostages.
You haven't complained about that either.

 
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