The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98

shack

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JUST IN: Donald Trump calls for ABC News to get their license taken away after their abysmal debate moderation last night. Moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis are under fire for their continuous fact-checks of Trump without any for Harris. The moderators not only fact-checked Trump but they were also caught giving Harris "toss-ups" during the debate. Harris was able to spew lies, such as the "Fine People" hoax and the "Bl**dbath" hoax without any correction from the moderators.
Mitch, it sounds like you're saying that you support "cancel culture".
 

squeezer

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It's very simple for some of us. Trump contained the Federal regulatory bodies. It has expanded again under Biden. If you're Canadian, you should look at the Ottawa government headcount during Trudeau's years.

Is it really a stretch to say Trump will also rollback large spending projects initiated by Biden?

By the way, why are Democrats so interested in getting cheap goods from China? If you were watching the debates, this was one of Trump's points. If the tariffs on China are so bad, why didn't the Biden Administration eliminate them? For the life of me, why do people insist on repeating rhetoric that at its core makes no sense.

Are tariffs the best solution? No. There is a lot of good stuff written on trade with China. The average person (and many politicians) won't follow the arguments. Wall Street believes it can still make money in China although that's changing. Wall Street has their hands in both parties' pockets.
Do you have a background in business with some university-level economics?

I am curious, is Trump correct when he tells his maga base that CHINA will be paying the US oooodles and oooooodles of tax money because of his imposed tariffs? Is this how tariffs work, the country the tariff is imposed on pays all the taxes to the country imposing the tariff.
 
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Fox offers 3 debate nights to Trump and Harris with Bret and Martha as moderators and Trump says no because he doesn't want those moderators, he wants Jesse and Laura, HAHAHAHA, what a fucking hypocrite.

Go to 4.20 to hear Trump throw FOX hosts under the bus.

WHOA: Fox host TURNS ON TRUMP after debate debacle
 

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What bothers me most about Kamala is that she was participating willingly and enthusiastically in the "Great Biden Lie", that Biden was competent and a suitable candidate for another 4 years as President, despite her intimate knowledge of the actual facts.

This was essentially dishonest, and she was prepared to back him all the way up to the election, in the knowledge that sooner or later she would become the de facto President, with the unacknowledged, but fully expected, participation and guidance of Barack Obama and the rest of his crew.

More shameful than anything Trump has ever done in his Presidential duties.
Difficult situation though.

Who takes the first step to declare that the boss is unfit?

And what happens when everybody else closes ranks and says the boss is just fine and your career is then completely fucked?
 
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mandrill

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I actually think that if you wanted a more fair TERB reaction you would post this poll in The Lounge. The political forum has been hijacked by progressives who don't fairly represent the broader membership.
No, it hasn't.

Here you have Mitch, Vinson, Jimi and a bunch of other guys.
 

WyattEarp

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No, it hasn't.

Here you have Mitch, Vinson, Jimi and a bunch of other guys.
Mitch is a one man show. Remember Frank was oddly becoming a progressive darling here until he decided to blow himself up for Palestine.
 
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Mitch is one man show. Remember Frank was oddly becoming a progressive darling here until he decided to blow himself up for Palestine.
Being against racial supremacy and genocide is still progressive, Wyatt.
Progressive here means lib/ndp but in the US that's read as commie.

Harris would be fine except for her support of genocide, I still don't understand how people think backing genocide is 'pragmatic' or reasonable. Most dems poll the same way, they also want a ceasefire.
 

WyattEarp

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The vice president has effectively no power, they are expected to vote as their president expects IF there is a vote breaking situation and wait for the HNIC to be unfit or die
Once they get the top job, they can go off in a different direction.
A sitting member of parliament who becomes party leader is probably a minister of some sort and they do have more impact. Even the backbenchers have a say and can always threaten a revolt.

Look at Vance, he was picked even though he was a never Trumper who thinks Trump could be an American Hitler. Harris called Biden a racist. VPs main job is to broaden the appeal or solidify the base of the president and to follow orders.

It is though a bit weird to run against the former leader. Truedooh makes a habit of doing that, running against Harper even after the later is no longer in parliament and yes I did think it was lame.
Yes parties tend to have themes but a VP is very much a non entity unless someone sods off. I am sure at some point you know this, but now refuse to believe because you have been grifted.
You put a lot of thought into this and it is well-written. That doesn't mean we have to agree with this.

If Biden was more popular, she would be running close to him. Harris' limited description of her policies to date sound like Biden 2.0. Why is it unfair they be assessed that way? Harris can always say here's where I would do things differently but we know that won't happen. (Hate Trump or like Trump, the guy puts his own stamp on things.)

The Trudeau/Harper thing isn't comparable. Biden is the current Democrat running the country. The Republican ticket is running against the Democratic ticket.

PS- To hark back to the ad slogan this is not your father's Oldsmobile. If her policies look like and feel like an Oldsmobile, they are her father's Oldsmobile.


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K Douglas

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Because i do not believe the conservator will fix shit.

Canada needs immigrants to keep its economy afloat. Yet we have no where to house them! We are lacking 1 million houses!

I am thinking might as well go ndp! I prefer the socialist pathway to the greedy capitalist one.
This country was built on immigration I agree with you. But it has to be sustainable and on a points system with entrants vetted. That hasn't been the case since Trudeau got into power.
 

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This country was built on immigration I agree with you. But it has to be sustainable and on a points system with entrants vetted. That hasn't been the case since Trudeau got into power.
here i agree with you. Like i wrote the problem is i do not believe on PP and conservator fixing anything. We need to let much fewer immigrants but mostly start building government based housing for the masses. Without a roof for all anything else will go to shit. Some will turn to violence, drug, fall into mental problems... The basic need of eating and having a roof must be available for all.
 
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Difficult situation though.

Who takes the first step to declare that the boss is unfit?

And what happens when everybody else closes ranks and says the boss is just fine and your career is then completely fucked?
It's a valid point.

However if we are using the generalized "the boss" analogy, when the boss is deemed incapacitated or incompetent sometimes good people are thrown out the door with them.
 

K Douglas

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Fox offers 3 debate nights to Trump and Harris with Bret and Martha as moderators and Trump says no because he doesn't want those moderators, he wants Jesse and Laura, HAHAHAHA, what a fucking hypocrite.

Go to 4.20 to hear Trump throw FOX hosts under the bus.

WHOA: Fox host TURNS ON TRUMP after debate debacle
Where do you find these soy boy liberal cucks?
 

K Douglas

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here i agree with you. Like i wrote the problem is i do not believe on PP and conservator fixing anything. We need to let much fewer immigrants but mostly start building government based housing for the masses. Without a roof for all anything else will go to shit. Some will turn to violence, drug, fall into mental problems... The basic need of eating and having a roof must be available for all.
I'm ok with gov't providing some housing but the private developers should be driving the construction of new dwellings. Unfortunately the environment for that in Canada is less than optimal.
 
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squeezer

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you're not doing your homework Squeezy...
The one who isn't doing his homework besides reading just headlines, tweets and Trump bullshit nonsensical propaganda is you my naive friend.


However, only 80 miles of new barriers have been built where there were none before - that includes 47 miles of primary wall, and 33 miles of secondary wall built to reinforce the initial barrier.


I included the important information from the article because I know you have a hard time going on after the headline.

You're welcome! I am always here to try and show you the light.
 
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