The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98

squeezer

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Do you have a background in business with some university-level economics?

Giving new homeowners money to buy homes won't make housing more affordable. It will only drive prices up in an inventory crunch. The U.S. and Canada have to build more housing not finance more purchases.

Helping small businesses more than we currently have will lead to the big govt. loan write-offs. Everyone who I know who is capable of running a business and wants to start one, can start a business. There is no shortage of capital for qualified applicants as they would say. Our current Small Business Administration loan system suffices and it has the added feature of favoring minority businesses. I personally think its a large slush fund to win political favor with certain groups.

Price controls have never worked anywhere. Stop printing and spending. We're well on are way to the former. Thanks Fed Chairman Jerome Powell.

Lower prescription prices sounds good in principle, but capitalism has given us incredible health and long lives. It wasn't given to us by our governments. Otherwise, China and Russia would have been cranking out medical breakthroughs. Just be happy Canada can free ride on the U.S. for pharmaceuticals and other medical products.

How bout the Administration in office just gets tough on immigration? Oh yeah, they are. They started six months ago. This is not just an issue of the U.S. government trying to ignore its populace on the matter, it's a Western phenomenon.

Okay, codify abortion. 15 weeks, 20 weeks?

Hmm, clean energy. The U.S. has gone down the path of Germany and others by throwing huge money at the issue with limited results. The losses on U.S. green energy loans is apparently in the tens of billions. Most Americans aren't chomping on the bit to buy subsidized electric cars. My microwave and I agree. Nuke it!!! Nuclear energy is the only economical and reliable replacement for fossil fuels.

Tighten gun laws, but also deal with problematic young males. Put the fear of the law in misguided parents with fucked up sons.

Sorry, I really don't know where Harris stands on the Palestinian-Israel conflict. Most everyone wants a two state solution. Hell, even the Palestinians want a two state solution.......one to be a free Palestine, the other an ash heap formerly known as Israel.

I can see you favor government solutions to almost everything. My experience on this earth tells me that even when a government solution is having no effect it's almost impossible to roll it back. Failure to deal with problems is often rewarded with more money.
All of a sudden you're debating and explaining her policies to me? Wait, didn't yu say she has no policies??
 

Valcazar

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Because i do not believe the conservator will fix shit.

Canada needs immigrants to keep its economy afloat. Yet we have no where to house them! We are lacking 1 million houses!

I am thinking might as well go ndp! I prefer the socialist pathway to the greedy capitalist one.
That's a housing policy issue more than an immigration one, I think.
 

Valcazar

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That's not really true, is it?

I can think of a lot of wars that didn't end in negotiations.
I can't.
I think we might be thinking of negotiations differently.

Even a surrender is usually negotiated.
That isn't an EQUAL negotiation, but it still is one.

There are all sorts of things that might happen. I don't think any of the likely ones involve negotiation.

I can foresee military or economic collapse to one or both combatants happening more likely than negotiation, the simple reason being that Putin is not perceived as an ethical player who will embrace and stand by the negotiated outcome.

If Putin dies, perhaps negotiations might be slightly more possible. I emphasize the word "slightly".
If there is military collapse and the sides agree to stop fighting, that's a negotiation, isn't it?
 

xmontrealer

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FACT CHECK:
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During the Presidential debate tonight,
@KamalaHarris
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said there “were no credible reports” of Haitian immigrants eating people’s pets and local geese… That is a lie. Here’s a copy of the official police communications from Springfield, Ohio which proves police did in fact encounter Haitian illegals who each killed a goose. Read the highlighted sections: “2 males. 2 females. All Haitian.” “Each had 2 Goose” “4 geese stolen”. “They were speaking Haitian Creole” Kamala Harris and ABC are lying.
Hey, "Meat's meat and a man's gotta eat!"
 
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mandrill

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I can't.
I think we might be thinking of negotiations differently.

Even a surrender is usually negotiated.
That isn't an EQUAL negotiation, but it still is one.
Sure. Doenitz signed a surrender in May 1945. That wasn't what I would call a negotiation.

The Germans also signed a surrender in November 1918. Not really a negotiation.

Lots of other examples
If there is military collapse and the sides agree to stop fighting, that's a negotiation, isn't it?
no
 

xmontrealer

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What bothers me most about Kamala is that she was participating willingly and enthusiastically in the "Great Biden Lie", that Biden was competent and a suitable candidate for another 4 years as President, despite her intimate knowledge of the actual facts.

This was essentially dishonest, and she was prepared to back him all the way up to the election, in the knowledge that sooner or later she would become the de facto President, with the unacknowledged, but fully expected, participation and guidance of Barack Obama and the rest of his crew.

More shameful than anything Trump has ever done in his Presidential duties.
 

Valcazar

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Sure. Doenitz signed a surrender in May 1945. That wasn't what I would call a negotiation.

The Germans also signed a surrender in November 1918. Not really a negotiation.

Lots of other examples

no
So we're just working from different definitions.
Which is fine.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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What bothers me most about Kamala is that she was participating willingly and enthusiastically in the "Great Biden Lie", that Biden was competent and a suitable candidate for another 4 years as President, despite her intimate knowledge of the actual facts.

This was essentially dishonest, and she was prepared to back him all the way up to the election, in the knowledge that sooner or later she would become the de facto President, with the unacknowledged, but fully expected, participation and guidance of Barack Obama and the rest of his crew.

More shameful than anything Trump has ever done in his Presidential duties.
More shameful than to claim that Haitians were eating pets, and double down on it even after getting fact checked by the mods? I don't think so.
 

basketcase

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Who cares who wins the debate.

It's anyway too late.
...
Other than entertainment value, at this point it's all about motivating their respective bases to stand in line for hours and vote.

And yes, it's pretty fucked the way election boards severely restrict early voting and the number of polling stations. It's clear the decision to keep the lines lengthy and long is intentional.
 

xmontrealer

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More shameful than to claim that Haitians were eating pets, and double down on it even after getting fact checked by the mods? I don't think so.
In my opinion absolutely. Harris, and the entire Democratic Party, backing a clearly incapable and incompetent candidate for President was a fraud on the entire nation, with potentially far reaching national and international consequences...

Where is your sense of proportion?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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In my opinion absolutely. Harris, and the entire Democratic Party, backing a clearly incapable and incompetent candidate for President was a fraud on the entire nation, with potentially far reaching consequences...
Applying that rule the Republican Party has been pulling that fraud for the last 8 years on the American people.
 

xmontrealer

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Applying that rule the Republican Party has been pulling that fraud for the last 8 years on the American people.
No point in arguing that with you, even though for the last 3.5 years Biden was President, not Trump. I wouldn't vote for Harris, Biden, or Trump.

Also not crazy about Poilievre, Singh, and Trudeau. Hard to find good political leaders these days...
 

Leimonis

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In my opinion absolutely. Harris, and the entire Democratic Party, backing a clearly incapable and incompetent candidate for President was a fraud on the entire nation, with potentially far reaching national and international consequences...

Where is your sense of proportion?
At least Biden hasn’t sucked Putin’s dick, hasn’t tried to get rid of NATO and hasn’t tried to retain power by force.
where is your sense of proportion?
 

NotADcotor

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No point in arguing that with you, even though for the last 3.5 years Biden was President, not Trump. I wouldn't vote for Harris, Biden, or Trump.

Also not crazy about Poilievre, Singh, and Trudeau. Hard to find good political leaders these days...
Well there is one, if you would put your faith in strange women lying in ponds giving out swords


It's time
 

xmontrealer

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At least Biden hasn’t sucked Putin’s dick, hasn’t tried to get rid of NATO and hasn’t tried to retain power by force.
where is your sense of proportion?
Not worth the typing effort involved to argue with you, as is usually the case when it gets adversarial on this forum...
 
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shack

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When I started doing business a few decades ago, Canada was very similar to the U.S. in its business environment. There was of course the govt. healthcare system versus the large private healthcare in the United States. Europe was always a difficult place to do business.

Somewhere along the line, I think Canadians were lured by the European idealism that seems to have led the Europeans down a dead end.
Or maybe it's the American way of doing things that have changed as evidenced by the fact that the country is becoming more divided and extreme than ever. The US is very different than it was 20 ago.
 
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Megyn Kelly Rips ABC following Debate, Exposes Kamala Harris’ Cozy Ties to Network Execs:

 
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