Leafs 2023-2024 Thread

[oral.com]

Watching the playoffs this year proves exactly how marginal the Leaf team is, they could never compete against Florida or NYR.
The team was handcuffed by committing so much of its salary to the core 4. Marner is a great player but has no ability to compete in the war that leads to the Stanley cup.

 

[superstar_88]

Tavares/Marner/Matthews combined over 33 million cap hit 3 goals in 19 games
Nylander under 7 mill cap hit 3 goals in 4 games
yet someone took this opportunity to bash Nylander and question why he didn't score in each and every game including those he didn't play in ... brilliant !!!

 

[Steve_Stevens]

Berube and Marner broke up after a coffee date today.

 

[smuddan]

I think Marner's greatest and most damning critics are not TERBites, or analysts or coaching staff or bloggers or professional writers. but they are the ones who sit beside him on the bench. When they call him out during a game and his reaction is to throw a tantrum, and then later when he doesn't get the message and still coasts up the ice and lets the series winning scorer blow right by him (and Marner has decent speed), that was it for me. I was a fan of his and his talent but now I want him gone. They can get someone a little less talented but who actually tries and for a lot less money. Players can have bad days and prolonged slumps and bad luck, but there is absolutely ZERO EXCUSE for a lack of effort, especially in the playoffs. Guaranteed his weak play had a negative impact not just on the ice but also on the team at large and the team chemistry.

He showed us who he really is and we should believe him. And with all due respect you smuddan, I think you should believe him as well.

This is just beating a dead horse trying to debate who’s more responsible for the series losing goal but since you brought it up again, I’ll reluctantly oblige.

Kelly Hrudy, the former nhl goalie and the expert who you liked to quote to support your points of view, made the analysis that Samsonov should have gone out to play the dump in and he was sure that Samsonov would have gotten to the puck first. My not so professional view was that Rielly the d man should never have been beaten so cleanly on a dump in on his side. Marner got caught looking at the puck carrier. All three players deserve to be held responsible but Marner got singled out.

No doubt it was a bad playoff for Marner, and anytime a player plays bad it’s so easy to accuse him of a lack of effort. When Nylander had his bad days, i don’t think I had ever read any criticism from you of a lack of effort. Did Marner play bad because he was not putting out the effort ? I don’t think so and this is where you and I will agree to disagree.

There are times players would get praised for showing emotions, often interpreted as “ a desire to win”, but other times like in this case, haters would use that to criticize. There was some kind of disagreement among Matthews, Marner and Nylander as we all saw, and it wasn’t the first time that had happened among teammates, but but what evidence do you have that “ he was called out” by those sitting on the bench ? Did you hear what exactly the conversations were ? Please enlighten me if you have inside Information.

 

[shack]

This is just beating a dead horse trying to debate who’s more responsible for the series losing goal but since you brought it up again, I’ll reluctantly oblige.

I am not making any comparison. I am only talking about Marner's effort and Marner's alone. Are you denying that he was just dogging it on the winning goal? Do you think that he gave a total effort? What anybody else did did not affect how hard Marner tried.

Kelly Hrudy, the former nhl goalie and the expert who you liked to quote to support your points of view,

I don't recall using any quotes from Hrudey. And Hrudey is not the only person who criticized Marner. Even if Samsonov or Rielly also made mistakes that does not change that Marner is the only one that got called out by his teammates on the bench for providing a poor effort even before that goal and that Marner also did not care enough about giving a good effort on that goal as well.

made the analysis that Samsonov should have gone out to play the dump in and he was sure that Samsonov would have gotten to the puck first. My not so professional view was that Rielly the d man should never have been beaten so cleanly on a dump in on his side. Marner got caught looking at the puck carrier. All three players deserve to be held responsible but Marner got singled out.

Because his was the only one whose mistake was not trying hard enough. Players make all kinds of mistakes in the heat of the moment but there is never any excuse for dogging it, especially when so much is on the line.

No doubt it was a bad playoff for Marner, and anytime a player plays bad it’s so easy to accuse him of a lack of effort.

Sorry, you missed my point. It was his teammates that called him out and accused him of a lack of effort. Are you saying that of all people that they don't have that right?

There was some kind of disagreement among Matthews, Marner and Nylander as we all saw, and it wasn’t the first time that had happened among teammates, but but what evidence do you have that “ he was called out” by those sitting on the bench ? Did you hear what exactly the conversations were ? Please enlighten me if you have inside Information.

I was repeating what was reported. I believe that they have evidence to support what they reported. Go question them.

 

[smuddan]

Sorry, you missed my point. It was his teammates that called him out and accused him of a lack of effort. Are you saying that of all people that they don't have that right?

Again, this is your speculation, or you’re just repeating someone else’s speculation.

I am not making any comparison. I am only talking about Marner's effort and Marner's alone. Are you denying that he was just dogging it on the winning goal? Do you think that he gave a total effort? What anybody else did did not affect how hard Marner tried.

again, anytime a player missed an assignment, it’s easy to question the effort. where‘s the effort on Rielly‘s part allowing Pastrnak to get to the puck first when he’s at least a few feet closer ? Where’s the effort from Samsonov making no attempt to get to the puck first ? Marner’s mistake was puck watching and did not read the play well. Nothing to do with effort IMO. He was already under tremendous pressure for not having played well and on the verge of going into his contract year, I see no reason why he would not put out the effort. Any assumption of a lack of effort is totally subjective and used as tool to attack him.

I believe I have addressed all your other comments with the above.

 

[roddermac]

When somebody exaggerates that much they lose credibility. Try staying in the realm of reality, for your own benefit.

I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.

 

[roddermac]

Again, this is your speculation, or you’re just repeating someone else’s speculation.




again, anytime a player missed an assignment, it’s easy to question the effort. where‘s the effort on Rielly‘s part allowing Pastrnak to get to the puck first when he’s at least a few feet closer ? Where’s the effort from Samsonov making no attempt to get to the puck first ? Marner’s mistake was puck watching and did not read the play well. Nothing to do with effort IMO. He was already under tremendous pressure for not having played well and on the verge of going into his contract year, I see no reason why he would not put out the effort. Any assumption of a lack of effort is totally subjective and used as tool to attack him.

I believe I have addressed all your other comments with the above.

I'd say in Samsonov's case he knows how fast Pasternak is and though staying back was the better decision. had he chased the puck and missed the fans would be bitch he should've stayed in his crease.

 

[roddermac]

I wonder if Mitch treated for the coffee......LMAO

https://twitter.com/x/status/1795420317902315807

I think Berube is salivating at the opportunity to coach the offensive talent that the Maple Leafs have. It's a win win for both parties.

 

[shack]

I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.

This, I agree with. But please don't say that anyone is comparing Nylander to Gretzky.

 

[smuddan]

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I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.

Be it in sports, politics or other social courts of public opinions, there’s a “monkey see, monkey do” tendency where some attention hungered individuals in the media would make up some baseless accusations against the target, others would blindly follow and repeat the same nonsense in their circles; sooner it would become phantom truth in their minds. They become the prosecutor, jurors and judge and the accused would have no chance to defend. Even many well educated people fall into the same trap and do not know how to apply critical thinking.

 

[superstar_88]

Not everyone hated Nylander's contract when he signed. I certainly didn't. Only those who didn't understand the difference between a 1 year contract and a longer term contract. Or the difference between when a contract was signed. Or the concept of cap going up and inflation.

Marner didn't hold out but that's only because Leafs overpaid !!! There was no reason for him to hold out. You think 11 million wasn't enough when he signed. Even at the end of Marner's contract the salary still seems high.

It'll be easier for the masses to bash Nylander next year when he starts earning 11.5 mill since even at under 7 mill there is so much hate already.

Leafs masses were shouting "we want Florida" so is there any surprise ...

 

[roddermac]

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Be it in sports, politics or other social courts of public opinions, there’s a “monkey see, monkey do” tendency where some attention hungered individuals in the media would make up some baseless accusations against the target, others would blindly follow and repeat the same nonsense in their circles; sooner it would become phantom truth in their minds. They become the prosecutor, jurors and judge and the accused would have no chance to defend. Even many well educated people fall into the same trap and do not know how to apply critical thinking.

And many of them have a youtube channel voicing their ignorant opinions.

 

[roddermac]

This, I agree with. But please don't say that anyone is comparing Nylander to Gretzky.

I wasn't but you act like Nylander is a playoff stud based on a handful of games. Marner has had games like his in his first few playoff appearances. The team didn't advance. That's not the fault of just one player.

 

[The Oracle]

I wasn't but you act like Nylander is a playoff stud based on a handful of games. Marner has had games like his in his first few playoff appearances. The team didn't advance. That's not the fault of just one player.

Brad Marchand takes a shot at Mitch Marner.

Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.

www.youtube.com

 

[shack]

shack said:
This, I agree with. But please don't say that anyone is comparing Nylander to Gretzky.

I wasn't but you act like Nylander

Wow he scored 3 goals in a 4 game span and you act like he's Wayne Gretzky.

Clearly you did accuse others of comparing Nylander to Gretzky. How can you possibly deny it? It's in black and white. Once again, try to embrace reality for the sake of your own credibility.

 

[roddermac]

Brad Marchand takes a shot at Mitch Marner.

Bekijk je favoriete video's, luister naar de muziek die je leuk vindt, upload originele content en deel alles met vrienden, familie en anderen op YouTube.

www.youtube.com

He did say he's an incredible player

 

[oral.com]

I recall all the the fans were Nylander haters when he held out for his first contract. Now they love him and hate Marner.

Hey, I was one of them! Then one day something seemed to click and Willy was able to elevate his game.
I was hoping that Marner would eventually become a grittier player, difficult to knock off the puck, nastier without taking stupid penalties.
He is a great talent, but in tight spaces he isn’t and he isn’t vicious enough to play in the post season war.

 

[roddermac]

Hey, I was one of them! Then one day something seemed to click and Willy was able to elevate his game.
I was hoping that Marner would eventually become a grittier player, difficult to knock off the puck, nastier without taking stupid penalties.
He is a great talent, but in tight spaces he isn’t and he isn’t vicious enough to play in the post season war.

Do you want a player of his size getting injured banging against bigger more physical players.

 

[tml]

Do you want a player of his size getting injured banging against bigger more physical players.

Agreed. Marner simply doesn't have the size or strength for a physical game. That's not a criticsm, just stating the obvious.