Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode

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No offense, I have been reading this same exact post for two years now. I think there is this perverse almost homicidal determination to want to encourage the Ukrainians to keep fighting without a clear end in sight.
This may sound perverse but if you were in the shoes of some
of the leaders on the side of Ukraine you too might decide that
encouraging and/or aiding the Ukrainians to keep fighting
was the right the thing to do for the moment.

Trudeau has squandered billions of us taxpayers' money to
fuel the Ukraine-Russia conflict. What is the price of it for him
(and him only)? Europe has praised Canada's contribution to
financing the war; Zelensky has also expressed his gratitude
to Canada. Most importantly Trudeau's virtue-signalling has won
admiration from his sheeple supporters at no cost to him.

Political leaders outside the west are more thoughful and cautious
with spending money to fuel a regional conflict thousands of miles away.
To be sure Putin's invasion was seen to be an act of aggression by
world's citizens outside the collective west from many of whom Zelensky
has won their sympathy and admiration. But most leaders of the world
are wise enough to not exploit the Ukraine war for political gains at the
expense of their citizens.

If the Ukraine war drags on some of the European leaders will have to
pay the price of getting voted out by voters getting tired of financing
the war at their expense. Hopefully the war will be ended soon when
all military aid to Ukraine is eventually withdrawn.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Why would Zelensky sign a deal unless there were iron clad security guarantees?
Because like others have said there are no guarantees in life.
How can Trump possibly guarantee that Putin (or his successor) wont invade again 10 years from now??

It's probably a good thing that he didn't sign because neither Trump, nor his boss Putin could ever be trusted
So here you contradict yourself. On one hand you want Trump to give Z some type of guarantee, and then on the other hand you say its pointless because you dont trust Trump (or Putin). So then whats the point of giving a guarantee?? Sounds like you're agreeing with me....LOL
 
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Articulate in words, but I didn't know what he was saying about an EU commitment now or after a ceasefire.
What is your interpretation of this clip?
Listen to it again, he's clear. Unlike your cult leader, he can string two sentences together and articulate them properly. Did you notice how nicely and politely he stated the bullshit and nonsense has to stop without naming names at who it was directed at?
 
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Salaries of Ukraine's civil servants have been funded by foreign aid
for a while. It seems very likely economic aid generously supplied by
the west has help sustaining administrative duties of government
workers such as keeping up with conscription of the young and not
so young into the army.

If Canada is fighting a war with the U.S. launched by Donald Trump China
and Russia wouldn't have to encourage us to fight to prolong the conflict. Sending
us billions of free money and free weapons will do the job.
Are they paying their soldiers in used military equipment?
 

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Listen to it again, he's clear. Unlike your cult leader, he can string two sentences together and articulate them properly. Did you notice how nicely and politely he stated the bullshit and nonsense has to stop without naming names at who it was directed at?
Hey, it's a simple question. You posted the clip. What did you get from it?
 

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This kind of reminded of me of Sprockets. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance.

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Those were both comedy skits, unlike dump doing the double jerk off dance to the Village People’s YMCA, a gay anthem by a gay group. What does that remind you of?

 
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squeezer

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Hey, it's a simple question. You posted the clip. What did you get from it?
Well, as I mentioned, he took a slap at Trumputin and Putin and went on to cover many aspects of the war. What didn't you understand? You stated he was articulate, yet you struggled to understand what he was stating?

Now, I am here to help you Wyatt.

listen to the 10 sec to the 50 sec mark. He goes through the numbers and states Europe will have to do more now since they've lost a reliable friend to the axis of evil. Yes, this is me taking out the man's diplomacy and stating what he wishes he could clearly say. Also note, he is stating Europe will need skin in the game.

Let me ask you, what did you get out of Vance and Trumputin's tirade on Zelenskyy? Do you think that looked good for your cult leader on the world stage, besides Russia, China and N. Korea and a few other evil states?
 
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I presume you won't do two shows a night.
No offense, I have been reading this same exact post for two years now. I think there is this perverse almost homicidal determination to want to encourage the Ukrainians to keep fighting without a clear end in sight.

Maybe it has been the same message for years because it is based on a principle of people fighting for their freedom.
 
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mandrill

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This is a very good point, but how would you know exactly that Ukrainians desire to keep fighting until all the Eastern lands are recovered?

To have some fun paraphrasing a favorite movie of mine, this seems as good a time as any.

The Ukrainians tell Shaquille what is good.
To be against Shaquille is to be against the Ukrainians.
The Ukrainians speak to Shaquille and Shaquille tells the world!


My hubris only extends about as far as the sentiment of Americans.
Because that's Zelensky's policy and the Ukrainians support him???......

Just a suggestion, Earp...
 

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I wonder if this brings a tear to both Trumputin and Vance's eyes this morning. They should be very proud of themselves and all their supporters should be cheering for their cult leader's success.
I think it is excellent news. Putin has since 2015 repeatedly requested an integrated security pact between USA, Europe and Russia.
It appears that finally, after 1,000,000 totally unnecessary deaths, at least USA is prepared to talk to Russia.about that.
Europe does not on its own present a threat to anybody, so they are pretty much irrelevant. They want USA to fight WWIII for them.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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And one of the conditions was that Ukraine would give up nukes and Russia wouldn't attack.
Looks like only one party kept their promises and that party isn't Russia
Ukraine had been slowly warming up to becoming a part of NATO since 1990s and 2000s. This is part of the reason why Putin invaded Ukraine. There's absolutely no way Russia is going to allow Ukraine to become part of NATO

Read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukr... support among Ukrainians for NATO membership.
 
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