I Imagine many were saying the same to and about those damn uppity colonists in the Americas in 1775ish.....
Trump/Zelensky deal turns into Jerry Springer episode
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Articulate in words, but I didn't know what he was saying about an EU commitment now or after a ceasefire.
What is your interpretation of this clip?
You mean those white supremacists?
Anyway, history shows that fighting a war across an ocean in the late 1700s against a rebellious local population was a difficult proposition.
I also think we have all come across social media posts comparing the Ukraine to Russia's incursion into Afghanistan in the 1980s. I don't think that is a good comparison either particularly from a terrain perspective.
By 'clear end in sight' you mean letting Russia keep the land they are occupying now and could occupy in the future?
This kind of reminded of me of Sprockets. Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance.
Why would Zelensky sign a deal unless there were iron clad security guarantees? He probably came over to negotiate that guarantee. It's probably a good thing that he didn't sign because neither Trump, nor his boss Putin could ever be trusted (whatever happened to that free trade deal Trump signed with Canada and Mexico, anyway). Ukraine gave up the third-largest nuclear arsenal in the world voluntarily at the end of the USSR under the Budapest accords guaranteed by the U.S., UK, Russia and EU, giving up several trillion of dollars of nuclear weapons in return for security guarantees for its territorial integrity which Russia has violated and the U.S., UK and EU vowed to protect. If Ukraine had kept its nuclear weapons, it would have been one of the most nuclear armed countries in the world and Russia would have never invaded. We, the West, committed to defend Ukraine in exchange for its denuclearization so there is no need for Ukraine to thank the U.S. for keeping its promises. Also, someone tell those White House clowns that Zelensky wears military fatigues in solidarity with his troops because they are at war with an invader (but why don't they complain about Musk's attire?).
We don't have to encourage them nor are we encouraging them.
They have free agency.
It is their country that is being invaded.
They are fighting because they want their country to be free.
Salaries of Ukraine's civil servants have been funded by foreign aid
for a while. It seems very likely economic aid generously supplied by
the west has help sustaining administrative duties of government
workers such as keeping up with conscription of the young and not
so young into the army.
If Canada is fighting a war with the U.S. launched by Donald Trump China
and Russia wouldn't have to encourage us to fight to prolong the conflict. Sending
us billions of free money and free weapons will do the job.
This may sound perverse but if you were in the shoes of some
of the leaders on the side of Ukraine you too might decide that
encouraging and/or aiding the Ukrainians to keep fighting
was the right the thing to do for the moment.
Trudeau has squandered billions of us taxpayers' money to
fuel the Ukraine-Russia conflict. What is the price of it for him
(and him only)? Europe has praised Canada's contribution to
financing the war; Zelensky has also expressed his gratitude
to Canada. Most importantly Trudeau's virtue-signalling has won
admiration from his sheeple supporters at no cost to him.
Political leaders outside the west are more thoughful and cautious
with spending money to fuel a regional conflict thousands of miles away.
To be sure Putin's invasion was seen to be an act of aggression by
world's citizens outside the collective west from many of whom Zelensky
has won their sympathy and admiration. But most leaders of the world
are wise enough to not exploit the Ukraine war for political gains at the
expense of their citizens.
If the Ukraine war drags on some of the European leaders will have to
pay the price of getting voted out by voters getting tired of financing
the war at their expense. Hopefully the war will be ended soon when
all military aid to Ukraine is eventually withdrawn.
Because like others have said there are no guarantees in life.
How can Trump possibly guarantee that Putin (or his successor) wont invade again 10 years from now??
So here you contradict yourself. On one hand you want Trump to give Z some type of guarantee, and then on the other hand you say its pointless because you dont trust Trump (or Putin). So then whats the point of giving a guarantee?? Sounds like you're agreeing with me....LOL
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Listen to it again, he's clear. Unlike your cult leader, he can string two sentences together and articulate them properly. Did you notice how nicely and politely he stated the bullshit and nonsense has to stop without naming names at who it was directed at?
By admitting Ukraine into NATO or something similar that would have military consequences for Russia if they choose to invade in the future.
Those were both comedy skits, unlike dump doing the double jerk off dance to the Village People’s YMCA, a gay anthem by a gay group. What does that remind you of?
Well, as I mentioned, he took a slap at Trumputin and Putin and went on to cover many aspects of the war. What didn't you understand? You stated he was articulate, yet you struggled to understand what he was stating?
Now, I am here to help you Wyatt.
listen to the 10 sec to the 50 sec mark. He goes through the numbers and states Europe will have to do more now since they've lost a reliable friend to the axis of evil. Yes, this is me taking out the man's diplomacy and stating what he wishes he could clearly say. Also note, he is stating Europe will need skin in the game.
Let me ask you, what did you get out of Vance and Trumputin's tirade on Zelenskyy? Do you think that looked good for your cult leader on the world stage, besides Russia, China and N. Korea and a few other evil states?
Maybe it has been the same message for years because it is based on a principle of people fighting for their freedom.
This is what most of the world took from it.
Russia says new US foreign policy aligns with its vision
We have some comments by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov from an interview to state television on Wednesday that aired today.
“The new administration is rapidly changing all foreign policy configurations,” Peskov said, referring to the Trump administration in the US.
“This largely coincides with our vision,” he added.
