Israel at war
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Sorry to see you still aren't checking your sources when you post.
The short version.
https://youtube.com/shorts/EYvk1GmNd3Q?si=-MFpw_qAGgYiIGBv
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Doubt it.
They're Democratic, market-economy, free speech, free press, rights to protest, freedom of religion, rule of law for Israeli citizens, minority rights, women's rights, LGBT+ rights etc...Feel free to quibble over outliers that happen in any complex society because that is the best you have...outliers.
IF positive change comes, we know it will come from this sort of society, unlike the rest of the Arab world, including Gaza & the West Bank, which is the complete opposite of this.
It's up to you which type of society you want to support.
They are not a democratic society Lmao. That's a good laugh. Why do you think millions of Jews are speaking our against them? Mandatory military service? Xenophobic deportation of anyone who isn't Jewish but yet born there? You can get jailed for showing support for Palestine. Having to pay people to write pro Israel comments on social media because their publicity is shattered. Even israelis are opposed to the demon that is natayathuThat's definitely not a democracy.
Regrettably too late for the people in jurusalem who were gunned down by the Hamas gunman today.
You may wish to ask for a refund of whatever book you got that definition from. You can disagree with his policies all you like but that has nothing to do with democracy.
I stand by my reasoning. Any country where I can be jailed for refusing to do military service is not democratic.
You mean like th US? Or Canada? At one time or another there were drafts. Failing to report for duty could result in jail. In which democracy is failing to report for duty when drafted not a crime?
"They are not a democratic society Lmao......Why do you think millions of Jews are speaking our against them?"
"Millions". You provide no source for this. Public disagreement is the very basis of Democracy. You're also emphasizing your stupidity of opinion since it's obvious that this falls under "right to protest" and "free speech" that Israelis are allowed. In addition, it's obvious that Israel does hold free & open elections, the basis of Democracy. All the time. Basic fact. God, don't let your opinions be so dumb.
"Mandatory military service?"
Go figure huh? October 7th and how many wars? What's wrong with Israel's Mandatory Military Service is they exempt the Orthodox. This is wrong. Fuck them, the Orthodox should be included as well.
I do note that women are allowed to service. Huh, how equal, inclusive & progressive. Awkward. Unless you don't think women should have equal rights. You likely don't. Your ilk never does.
In addition, "Mandatory" does not apply to everyone. The IDF's conscription laws only apply to three communities: the Jews, the Druze, and the Circassians. Both men and women are drafted from the Jewish community, whereas only men are drafted from the Druze and Circassian communities. Arab Muslims, Arab Christians, and Bedouins are not conscripted. Huh, supporting of minority rights. You have no clue do you?
"Xenophobic deportation of anyone who isn't Jewish but yet born there"
Huh, no source for this likely because any deportations are illegal immigrants.
"You can get jailed for showing support for Palestine"
Source? None. Huh, yet many, many, many Israelis protest against Israel without getting jailed? Obviously breaking the law during protests. Like I said, you're going to respond with outliers. Outliers is the best you have.
In addition, the United Arab List is a political party in Israel that is an Islamist and conservative political party in Israel. The party supports the two-state solution, and the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with East Jerusalem as its capital. In 2021 it formally joined a coalition of parties forming the thirty-sixth government. So, a pro-Palestine political party forms part of the fucking Israeli government. Weird how they are not arrested huh? Also weird that this disagreement is the very basis of Democracy but yet...you say...wait for it..."They are not a democratic society". Huh. Oh please say Israel does not support minority rights. Please. Say it.
You really are ignorant of very, very (no very) basic facts aren't you? There is this thing called the internet, it has a search engine called google and you can use it to research your opinions to see if they are supported by the facts. Try is sometime.
"Having to pay people to write pro Israel comments on social media because their publicity is shattered"
Reliable public, verifiable source? None. Conspiracy.
"Even israelis are opposed to the demon that is natayathu hat's definitely not a democracy."
Are you a kid? Outright public disagreement via a free press and protest is the VERY essence of democracy. Unlike the rest of the Arab world, they are allowed to without threats. This is why you can say this is happening. This is 101 stuff and you think this is an intelligent response? As a comparison, the latest polls on 11/29th show 3/4s of Canadians want Trudeau to go. Yet he's still Prime Minister? Weird, you'd think under your worldview Trudeau would have to leave or resign. I guess Canada is not a democracy either huh? Please tell me Trudeau MUST be a demon or a dictator for not leaving. Oh right, that doesn't count. Inconvenient.
Poll says three in four want Trudeau to go, but Trudeau insists he’ll stay - National | Globalnews.ca
The Conservatives have a 16-point lead. Three-quarters of the country think it's time for a change. But Justin Trudeau is vowing to fight Pierre Poilievre in the next election.
globalnews.ca
You're lack even the basis of any self awareness. Even Frankie is WAY smarter than you. I didn't think it was possible but Frankie, relatively so, gets WAY more respect from me for his brand of Woo than you do. That's saying something.
Seriously, how old are you?
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...yes, yes, you picking and choosing which law you support or don't support is hilarious. Thinking that getting punished for breaking laws is not democracy is just dumb.
Are you a "Freeman on the Land" or part of the "Sovereign Citizen movement " nutbar wacko or what?
You make MAGA look calm and reasonable. r\ohnoconsequences.
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He's oblivious to what's going on in the middle east......yes, yes, you picking and choosing which law you support or don't support is hilarious. Thinking that getting punished for breaking laws is not democracy is just dumb.
Are you a "Freeman on the Land" or part of the "Sovereign Citizen movement " nutbar wacko or what?
r\ohnoconsequences.
I'm honestly curious how he puts his pants on in the morning if he thinks his responses have some basis in reality.
What must his life be like?
It must be a struggle for him but I'm curious how bad is it? He closes his profile (I now know why) so it's hard to tell.I mean Frankie is just wrong but this guy? He has my sympathies.
Ruling millions of people without their consent through violence. You can’t be democratic and do that. Basic Fact.
closed profile only means 1 thing...they don't want a read-back on their posts....as if someone cares what they said in the past...I'm honestly curious how he puts his pants on in the morning if he thinks his responses have some basis in reality.
What must his life be like?
I mean Frankie is just wrong but this guy? He has my sympathies.
Don't be dumb. Of course you can when they give you no other choice. Israel holds free & open elections ALL the time for Israeli citizens and they've decided this is their only course of action.
Just because you disagree with their policies and think they're wrong does not mean they are not Democratic. No doubt when PP gets elected PM you'll declare Canada is not a Democracy. Sounds very Trump-ish. Again, Horseshoe Theory of Politics.
How self-important and self-centred are you that you think this way?
