Israel at war

[mandrill]

But Israel does not have the legal right to self defence against the people they occupy in the first place.
The occupation is illegal
The blockade is illegal
Every settlement is illegal
Apartheid is illegal

All that stuff is perfectly legal, except perhaps for the settlements, which are - unfortunately - winked at by the Israeli government.

You can't then use the claim that there are human shields to kill civilians.
If shack held you at gunpoint as a human shield the cops in Toronto would not be justified in killing you both to get squeezer.
Same in Gaza, you can't kill 70% women and children and then claim you were only aiming at Hamas.

But Shack wouldn't routinely go out to mass murder and rape and then surround himself with women and children and yell "Fuck you, war criminal!" at the police who try to arrest him.

 

[mandrill]

There is no requirement for "demographic balance" which is basically justifications for ethno-states. Can you imagine Trudeau saying that? Or Biden? Or anyone else in any other part of the world?

Just bring everyone under 1 government, give them equal rights and perhaps work toward a system where Israel becomes a full constitutional, secular democracy.

But the goal of the Israeli state is to take as much from the Palestinians as possible and push and squeeze them into as small a land area as possible. Which is the crime here.

But that wouldn't work, would it?

Because the Palestinians hate the Jews and are influenced and dominated by extremist Islamic groups like HAMAS.

If shit like 7 October didn't take place, you might have an argument.

Look at the Muslim regimes in the Middle East and tell me if you love them:..... Iran - repressive, vicious, fundamentalist Islamic theocracy; Saudi - repressive, vicious, fundamentalist Islamic monarchy; Syria - repressive, vicious, dictatorship, riven with civil war; Lebanon - recovering from decades of sectarian strife; Turkey - repressive, vicious, fundamentalist Islamic pseudo democracy.

It's not as though Israel is right next to France and Belgium. peaceful, tolerant, democratic countries.

And all those Muslim countries hate Israel. How long would it take before Palestinians vote to drive out the Jews, if they had the vote in Israel?

 

[Leimonis]

But that wouldn't work, would it?

Because the Palestinians hate the Jews and are influenced and dominated by extremist Islamic groups like HAMAS.

If shit like 7 October didn't take place, you might have an argument.

Look at the Muslim regimes in the Middle East and tell me if you love them:..... Iran - repressive, vicious, fundamentalist Islamic theocracy; Saudi - repressive, vicious, fundamentalist Islamic monarchy; Syria - repressive, vicious, dictatorship, riven with civil war; Lebanon - recovering from decades of sectarian strife; Turkey - repressive, vicious, fundamentalist Islamic pseudo democracy.

It's not as though Israel is right next to France and Belgium. peaceful, tolerant, democratic countries.

And all those Muslim countries hate Israel. How long would it take before Palestinians vote to drive out the Jews, if they had the vote in Israel?

But why let reality stand in the way of virtue signaling?

 

[Klatuu]

You miss my point, which is that you have to deal with the current population mix - which is 73% Jewish - if you're going to realistically and pragmatically discuss the future and its alternative choices.

Can I make it any simpler for you? Or is even this still a "word salad"?

Still a word salad. Deal with the forced depopulation of the original Palestinian inhabitants and all that follows from it. Its real. It’s fully documented and resources are at your fingertips. It’s covered by international human rights law. It will explain why the percentage of Jews is 73%. It will explain why millions of Palestinians lost their homes and property.

There is nothing real or pragmatic about ignoring it. It’s racist and delusional.

 

[Leimonis]

 

[whynot888]

If they keep repeating the same lies, I'll keep rebutting them?

So she only fucked 2 other guys today? Not the 3 that she claimed to?

You might of interpret me wrong. I was talking about the KKK.

 

[Klatuu]

You might of interpret me wrong. I was talking about the KKK.

Sad shack is not the sharpest pencil.

 

[The Oracle]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726264853978116144

You know there's free speech and all but then there's a call for action.

 

[Paprika]

Still a word salad. Deal with the forced depopulation of the original Palestinian inhabitants and all that follows from it. Its real. It’s fully documented and resources are at your fingertips. It’s covered by international human rights law. It will explain why the percentage of Jews is 73%. It will explain why millions of Palestinians lost their homes and property.

There is nothing real or pragmatic about ignoring it. It’s racist and delusional.

Many people lose their homes and property in every war, like those Syrians. No point arguing who is an "original inhabitant". If they had won in 1948, the jews would have lost their homes and property.

Would you fight for the human rights of those original inhabitants of Carthage after they got destroyed by Rome? Would you move back to Africa where your ancestor was an "original inhabitant".

Don't bring up "international human rights law" unless somebody could somehow enforce it.

 

[Leimonis]

There was no call to action for violence there. Intifada means "civil uprising". A civil uprising is not a call to action for violence and even more importantly it is not a call to action for violence, IN CANADA. So no laws were broken here.

Civil uprising my fucking ass


The following is a partial list of civilian casualties in the Second Intifada.

According to the International Institute for Counter-Terrorism, 887 (78 percent) of the 1,137 Israelis killed in attacks from September 2000 – 2005 were civilians.[1] Another 8,341 Israelis were wounded during this period, including 5,676 civilians and 2,665 security forces personnel.[2] The majority of casualties were caused by suicide bombings, though Israelis have also been killed by planted bombs, shootings, stonings, stabbings, lynchings, rockets, and other methods of attack.[2]

According to B'Tselem, in the ten years from 2000–2010, of the 6371 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces, at least 2996 did not participate in hostilities when killed, and 1317 were minors. Out of 1083 Israelis killed, 741 were civilians (124 minors).[3]

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726264853978116144

You know there's free speech and all but then there's a call for action

He's been nicely brainwashed by his parents

 

[Klatuu]

Many people lose their homes and property in every war, like those Syrians. No point arguing who is an "original inhabitant". If they had won in 1948, the jews would have lost their homes and property.

Would you fight for the human rights of those original inhabitants of Carthage after they got destroyed by Rome? Would you move back to Africa where your ancestor was an "original inhabitant".

Don't bring up "international human rights law" unless somebody could somehow enforce it.

If you believe that, you just destroyed the zionist argument that this is their homeland and they are entitled to it.

 

[Butler1000]

There is no requirement for "demographic balance" which is basically justifications for ethno-states. Can you imagine Trudeau saying that? Or Biden? Or anyone else in any other part of the world?

Just bring everyone under 1 government, give them equal rights and perhaps work toward a system where Israel becomes a full constitutional, secular democracy.

But the goal of the Israeli state is to take as much from the Palestinians as possible and push and squeeze them into as small a land area as possible. Which is the crime here.

Muslims don't want that. Neither do Jews. So how do you propose to force it on both dides?

 

[Klatuu]

The ICC will certainly take note of this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726267178201362438

 

[Paprika]

If you believe that, you just destroyed the zionist argument that this is their homeland and they are entitled to it.

The argument doesn't matter. Right now there is a country called Israel with millions Jews living there. If Muslims can take it back, go ahead to and do it.

 

[shack]

Yes they are, mandrill. Shack called them 'vermin',

Not at all true. I already showed my entire post and I've never called the Palestinians vermin. It was strictly Hamas.

Are you saying that all Palestinians are Hamas?

 

[shack]

Yes, but shack, like a large number of Israeli supporters, does not differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians, he sees every Palestinian in Gaza as 'Hamas'.

Prove that. With quotes from me. As well, include the thread and post number. You've already quoted me using the word vermin in a single line from a longer post and tried to make it seem that I was referring to Palestinians.

Find the quotes, where I said that.

 

[shack]

If shack held you at gunpoint as a human shield the cops in Toronto would not be justified in killing you both to get squeezer.

Bad analogy. Toronto is not a war zone. Try again.

 

[Klatuu]

The argument doesn't matter. Right now there is a country called Israel with millions Jews living there. If Muslims can take it back, go ahead to and do it.

Of course your argument doesn’t matter once you find out you just undercut yourself. Where do they find guys like you?

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

As if I needed another reason to dislike these people

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1726044133347754329