Israel at war

shack

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You are right sad shack…you can’t ignore someone who actually lived through Apartheid. How about Nobel Winner Desmond Tutu? As an aside, thanks for teeing it up for me so easily. You make it so effortless.

Oh! You mean the anti-Semite?
Bishop Tutu was the most influential anti-Semite of our time - JNS.org

Tutu minimized the suffering of those killed in the Holocaust. He has attacked the “Jewish” – not Israeli – “lobby” as too “powerful” and “scary.” He has invoked classic anti-Semitic stereotypes and tropes about Jewish “arrogance,” “power” and “money.” He has characterized Jews a “peculiar people,” and has accused “the Jews” of causing many of the world’s problems.

He minimized the suffering of those murdered in the Holocaust by
asserting that “the gas chambers” made for “a neater death” than did Apartheid. He complained of “the Jewish Monopoly of the Holocaust,” and demanded that its victims must “forgive the Nazis for the Holocaust,” while refusing to forgive the “Jewish people” for “persecute[ing] others.”


Tutu asserted that Zionism has “very many parallels with racism,” thus echoing the notorious and discredited “Zionism equals racism” resolution passed by the General Assembly of the United Nations and subsequently rescinded.

He accused Jews — not Israelis — of exhibiting “an arrogance — the arrogance of power


And lots more. Like you said Little Buddy, too easy. Effortless.
 

shack

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a) There is no doubt there are tunnels everywhere. However the question is not about the presence of tunnels.
What a joke. Less than a week ago you were asking for proof that there were tunnels. Now that you have seen the proof you move onto your predictable "that's irrelevant" defense. Let's change the topic. 😂 :ROFLMAO:😂:ROFLMAO: If they're not relevant why did you ask for proof of their existence?

b) The vehicles, weapons etc shown in the video, could very well be placed there by the IDF. Not very trustworthy on that one.
Another post which I predicted.

I already told you, it was Steven Spielberg.
 
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Oh! You mean the anti-Semite?
Bishop Tutu was the most influential anti-Semite of our time - JNS.org

Tutu minimized the suffering of those killed in the Holocaust. He has attacked the “Jewish” – not Israeli – “lobby” as too “powerful” and “scary.” He has invoked classic anti-Semitic stereotypes and tropes about Jewish “arrogance,” “power” and “money.” He has characterized Jews a “peculiar people,” and has accused “the Jews” of causing many of the world’s problems.

He minimized the suffering of those murdered in the Holocaust by
asserting that “the gas chambers” made for “a neater death” than did Apartheid. He complained of “the Jewish Monopoly of the Holocaust,” and demanded that its victims must “forgive the Nazis for the Holocaust,” while refusing to forgive the “Jewish people” for “persecute[ing] others.”


Tutu asserted that Zionism has “very many parallels with racism,” thus echoing the notorious and discredited “Zionism equals racism” resolution passed by the General Assembly of the United Nations and subsequently rescinded.

He accused Jews — not Israelis — of exhibiting “an arrogance — the arrogance of power


And lots more. Like you said Little Buddy, too easy. Effortless.
Oh sad shack….don‘t be such a sore loser. And that thumb sucking is unbecoming.

Just a gentle reminder….straight from the horses mouth:

“How can you realistically claim that somebody who lived through the actual apartheid era has irrelevant views?”
 

shack

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Nope, the crime of apartheid, is defined per international law and has nothing to do with citizenship. Repeating the same thing over and over again, does not mean, you are right, or you have an argument.
You are changing the topic.

You and Fringe are calling for Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank to be allowed to vote so I am fully justified to ask:

What country allows non-citizens to vote in that country's elections?

I'm expecting you to hide under the covers with Fringefooter.
 

shack

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Oh sad shack….don‘t be such a sore loser. And that thumb sucking is unbecoming.

Just a gentle reminder….straight from the horses mouth:

“How can you realistically claim that somebody who lived through the actual apartheid era has irrelevant views?”
I did say that but when somebody's statements are clearly based on racist thinking they then become irrelevant.

Can you defend his statement that the Nazis were better than Jews because "the gas chambers were neater than apartheid". That is disgusting.

I'd like to hear you provide an intelligent and compelling rebuttal of me saying that that is a racist comment without throwing in any insults or name calling just as I avoided doing in this post.
 

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Aside from the Israeli-Palestinian quagmire (which I don't know enough to knowledgeably comment on anyways), the Politics (and COVID) sections have degenerated into what I consider a cesspool of rabid right wing lunatics re-spewing vitriolic nonsense.

And the worst of them have never posted a single review nor otherwise contributed to an intelligent or interesting discussion.

So, while nobody is going to miss me anyways, I have pretty much abandoned participating in TERB at all. I have pretty much not posted in a month or so although I read a few posts here and there once in a while. Which just reinforces my decision to disengage from TERB. I think many others have silently done the same.

imagine that TERB ownership have crunched the numbers to see if the posting activity (hits) in Politics (and the resultant stated value in advertising rates/views) outweigh the loss of authentic, stalwart members.
The reason why it is a separate section is obvious. I have the ability to post here and yet also give positive advice in another thread.

You can still participate, it just means you don't in the two sections you listed. Or post topics you still find interesting.
 
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Huh? If it is a 1 state solution then yes they need to be given a vote as equal citizens.
But it's not, and you only provided a hypothetical. Yet I hear calls for Palestinians to be given a vote.

As well, I am not asking for an opinion or recommendation. I am simply looking for factual information from someone who has the knowledge.

Are there currently any countries that allow non-citizens to vote in that country's election? Do you personally know of any that do this. It's a yes or a no.
It is not a question dealing in what ifs and hypotheticals.

I agree, IF there was only 1 state all citizens should be given a vote, obviously.
 

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But it's not, and you only provided a hypothetical. Yet I hear calls for Palestinians to be given a vote.

As well, I am not asking for an opinion or recommendation. I am simply looking for factual information from someone who has the knowledge.

Are there currently any countries that allow non-citizens to vote in that country's election? Do you personally know of any that do this. It's a yes or a no.
It is not a question dealing in what ifs and hypotheticals.

I agree, IF there was only 1 state all citizens should be given a vote, obviously.
How many other countries refuse to give 4 million people the vote based on their race?


– Jewish American students have an increasingly negative image of Israel:

-Just 42% believe Israel wants peace.

-Just 38% believe “Israel is civilized and Western”.

-Just 31% believe Israel is a democracy.

– No less than 21% believe the US should side with the Palestinians.
 
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The crime of Apartheid as defined by the Rome statute. Citizenship is not a criteria for a crime of apartheid to happen.

The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime".
Exactly, the ruling of apartheid is based on treatment of people, not on their citizenship status.
Israel is apartheid.

 
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Are these Palestinian Israeli citizens? Or are you referring to non-Israeli citizens? If it's the former, please cite those laws. If it's the latter, it's not apartheid.

Are there any countries that allow non-citizens to vote in that country's elections?
Refusing to give indigenous Palestinians citizenship is proof of apartheid, shack.
 
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