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If you believe that, you just destroyed the zionist argument that this is their homeland and they are entitled to it.
Muslims don't want that. Neither do Jews. So how do you propose to force it on both dides?
The argument doesn't matter. Right now there is a country called Israel with millions Jews living there. If Muslims can take it back, go ahead to and do it.
Not at all true. I already showed my entire post and I've never called the Palestinians vermin. It was strictly Hamas.
Are you saying that all Palestinians are Hamas?
Prove that. With quotes from me. As well, include the thread and post number. You've already quoted me using the word vermin in a single line from a longer post and tried to make it seem that I was referring to Palestinians.
Find the quotes, where I said that.
Of course your argument doesn’t matter once you find out you just undercut yourself. Where do they find guys like you?
As if I needed another reason to dislike these people
They can't even govern what they have. And aren't trusted in Gaza. That's why they landslde elected Hamas.
Who else? And if neither side can decide then what? Seriously this 75 years now. Best diplomats on the planet have failed.
Add in a lot of powerful people with various interests to not see this happen. This isn't about "if I was king of the world". Its about the reality on the ground.
So if both sides, or even one side, refuse to come together, what then?
Hamas probably killed most of the hostages
IDF says Noa Marciano was murdered by Hamas inside Shifa Hospital, not killed by Israeli airstrike
IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says Cpl. Noa Marciano, 19, who was held hostage in a hideout apartment near Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, was killed by Hamas, and not an Israeli airstrike.
Citing a pathology report and intelligence information, he says Marciano was wounded by an IDF strike, and later taken to Shifa, where she was murdered.
“Noa was kidnapped to an apartment next to Shifa Hospital. During the IDF strikes in Gaza, a Hamas terrorist who was holding her, was killed,” Hagari says.
“The pathology report states that Noa was injured by the strike, but not in a life-threatening way, and this is contrary to the lies published by Hamas according to which Noa was killed by IDF strikes,” he says.
“According to intelligence information, Noa was taken inside the walls of Shifa Hospital, where she was murdered by a Hamas terrorist,” he says.
www.timesofisrael.com
IDF says Noa Marciano was murdered by Hamas inside Shifa Hospital, not killed by Israeli airstrike
IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says Cpl. Noa Marciano, 19, who was held hostage in a hideout apartment near Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, was killed by Hamas, and not an Israeli airstrike.
Citing a pathology report and intelligence information, he says Marciano was wounded by an IDF strike, and later taken to Shifa, where she was murdered.
“Noa was kidnapped to an apartment next to Shifa Hospital. During the IDF strikes in Gaza, a Hamas terrorist who was holding her, was killed,” Hagari says.
“The pathology report states that Noa was injured by the strike, but not in a life-threatening way, and this is contrary to the lies published by Hamas according to which Noa was killed by IDF strikes,” he says.
“According to intelligence information, Noa was taken inside the walls of Shifa Hospital, where she was murdered by a Hamas terrorist,” he says.
IDF says Noa Marciano was murdered by Hamas inside Shifa Hospital, not killed by Israeli airstrike
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They got flooded by French speaking Muslims from north Africa
How Quebec turned into a hotbed of Islamist antisemitism
On Sunday night, Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante stated the obvious: “At this moment, the Jewish community is under attack in Montreal.”
Bullets had been fired at two Jewish religious school doors in densely Jewish neighbourhoods last week (one school on two separate occasions), following attempted firebombings at a Jewish community centre and synagogue in the West Island. Jewish-owned businesses have been vandalized, and their owners targeted with hate on social media and in action.
A coffee-shop chain owner, whose shop menus were defaced with swastikas, is one of many Jewish entrepreneurs flagged on a boycott list Postmedia News reviewed, attesting to a disconcerting level of purposeful organization. Montreal’s 90,000 Jews were especially revulsed by a Nov. 8 Kristallnacht anniversary mobbing at Concordia University of an exhibit to honour the plight of the Israeli hostages in Gaza.
Rahim Mohamed cited Montreal in these pages as “an epicentre of anti-Jewish hatred.” He’s right, for a good historical reason. A statement after the school-door shootings by Premier François Legault offers a clue to what it is. Admirably vowing that “every effort will be made to find and punish the culprits,” Legault added, “Let us not import the hatred and violence that we see elsewhere in the world.”
What he should have said was “Let us no longer import the hatred and violence…”
The reality is that between 1970 and 2005, Quebec, which — unlike other provinces — controls its own immigration numbers and provenance, determined to import as many fluent French-speakers as possible. With minimal triaging, Quebec flung open its doors to former French colonies like Haiti and Vietnam, who have no axe to grind with Jews, but also to Islamically volatile North African and Middle Eastern countries, where extreme antisemitism is baked into the culture.
Montreal became home to the world’s largest Lebanese community outside of Beirut and the second-largest Moroccan and Algerian diasporas after Paris and Marseilles. Most of these immigrants are peaceful and apolitical. But a small minority — and that’s all it takes — are trouble makers.
“As in France itself,” wrote Drew University professor of Jewish Studies Allan Nadler in a 2011 Tablet article, “these immigrants have brought a deep, historically rooted contempt for European cosmopolitanism and heavy doses of antisemitism. Those apprehended by the Montreal police and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for involvement in the dozen or so attacks on Jewish institutions in the city during the past five years — which included the fire-bombings of a synagogue and a Jewish day school — were all Quebeckers of North African descent.”
From the mid-1990s to 2005, about 20 Montrealers were involved in terrorist plots. Most famously, Algerian Ahmed Ressam — the “Millennium Bomber” — settled in Montreal after receiving Al Qaeda terror training in Afghanistan. Former Morocco-born Montrealer Abdellah Ouzghar, convicted in absentia of abetting terrorism in France, circulated here in virtually complete freedom for years before our sluggish judicial system finally endorsed his extradition to France in 2009. He reportedly returned to Canada after serving his sentence.
For an up-to-date example of imported trouble, we have well-known Morocco-Canadian imam Adil Charkouai who, at an Oct. 28 Montreal Free Palestine rally, called for the eradication of all “Zionist aggressors.” Many years before he received citizenship in 2014 and could easily have been deported, he was arrested on a security certificate, CSIS alleging he was a sleeping Al Qaeda agent, and represented a danger to Canada. Long legal story short, a Supreme Court judgment regarding security certificates — and having nothing to do with what seems to have been excellent evidence — luckily fell Charkouai’s way. He obtained Canadian citizenship, and is still purveying robustly Islamist antisemitism to his fan base.
Fabrice de Pierrebourg, Quebec’s leading journalist on terrorism, followed the trajectories of up to 30 hard-core jihadists for many years in the 1990s, making frequent trips to Lebanon and the North African countries from which most Montreal Islamists derive. In 2007 he published Montrealistan, an examination of the route to radicalization of young Muslim men in Montreal.
De Pierrebourg found the two main vectors were sermons in the mosque the recruit attended and the Internet chat rooms he surfed obsessively. Many of the recruits talked candidly to de Pierrebourg. They went, via Internet lures, from merely bored or socially awkward to radicalized within weeks.
It’s important to note that focusing on Islamist antisemitism isn’t to gainsay the extreme antisemitism on the academic left and their indoctrinated acolytes, whose hateful words and antics we have also witnessed in the aftermath of Oct 7. But, while lefties are happy to participate in the rallies and the marches, it is international Islamist groups that organize them and mainly Islamists who are calling for harassment and violence against Jews.
Officially, relations between Montreal Jews and Quebec, and between Quebec and Israel, are excellent. Quebec was in fact poised to open a representative bureau in Tel Aviv, one of 20 internationally, intended to strengthen relations and bolster cooperative ventures in research and innovation between Quebec and Israel. Unfortunately, this war has forced a deferral until conditions are more propitious.
Meanwhile, thanks to his predecessors’ insouciance regarding corollary cultural elements in their language-based immigration strategy, Premier Legault has his work cut out for him. Nobody doubts his commitment and concern.
The question, as Europe has discovered, is whether law enforcement and political resolve will be sufficient to stuff an angry, Judeophobic genie back into a bottle most western governments blithely uncorked through their infatuation with multiculturalism, or in Quebec’s case fixation on language, both of which, alas, necessitated a self-destructive indifference to the epidemiology of terrorism.
nationalpost.com
How Quebec turned into a hotbed of Islamist antisemitism
On Sunday night, Montreal Mayor Valérie Plante stated the obvious: “At this moment, the Jewish community is under attack in Montreal.”
Bullets had been fired at two Jewish religious school doors in densely Jewish neighbourhoods last week (one school on two separate occasions), following attempted firebombings at a Jewish community centre and synagogue in the West Island. Jewish-owned businesses have been vandalized, and their owners targeted with hate on social media and in action.
A coffee-shop chain owner, whose shop menus were defaced with swastikas, is one of many Jewish entrepreneurs flagged on a boycott list Postmedia News reviewed, attesting to a disconcerting level of purposeful organization. Montreal’s 90,000 Jews were especially revulsed by a Nov. 8 Kristallnacht anniversary mobbing at Concordia University of an exhibit to honour the plight of the Israeli hostages in Gaza.
Rahim Mohamed cited Montreal in these pages as “an epicentre of anti-Jewish hatred.” He’s right, for a good historical reason. A statement after the school-door shootings by Premier François Legault offers a clue to what it is. Admirably vowing that “every effort will be made to find and punish the culprits,” Legault added, “Let us not import the hatred and violence that we see elsewhere in the world.”
What he should have said was “Let us no longer import the hatred and violence…”
The reality is that between 1970 and 2005, Quebec, which — unlike other provinces — controls its own immigration numbers and provenance, determined to import as many fluent French-speakers as possible. With minimal triaging, Quebec flung open its doors to former French colonies like Haiti and Vietnam, who have no axe to grind with Jews, but also to Islamically volatile North African and Middle Eastern countries, where extreme antisemitism is baked into the culture.
Montreal became home to the world’s largest Lebanese community outside of Beirut and the second-largest Moroccan and Algerian diasporas after Paris and Marseilles. Most of these immigrants are peaceful and apolitical. But a small minority — and that’s all it takes — are trouble makers.
“As in France itself,” wrote Drew University professor of Jewish Studies Allan Nadler in a 2011 Tablet article, “these immigrants have brought a deep, historically rooted contempt for European cosmopolitanism and heavy doses of antisemitism. Those apprehended by the Montreal police and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police for involvement in the dozen or so attacks on Jewish institutions in the city during the past five years — which included the fire-bombings of a synagogue and a Jewish day school — were all Quebeckers of North African descent.”
From the mid-1990s to 2005, about 20 Montrealers were involved in terrorist plots. Most famously, Algerian Ahmed Ressam — the “Millennium Bomber” — settled in Montreal after receiving Al Qaeda terror training in Afghanistan. Former Morocco-born Montrealer Abdellah Ouzghar, convicted in absentia of abetting terrorism in France, circulated here in virtually complete freedom for years before our sluggish judicial system finally endorsed his extradition to France in 2009. He reportedly returned to Canada after serving his sentence.
For an up-to-date example of imported trouble, we have well-known Morocco-Canadian imam Adil Charkouai who, at an Oct. 28 Montreal Free Palestine rally, called for the eradication of all “Zionist aggressors.” Many years before he received citizenship in 2014 and could easily have been deported, he was arrested on a security certificate, CSIS alleging he was a sleeping Al Qaeda agent, and represented a danger to Canada. Long legal story short, a Supreme Court judgment regarding security certificates — and having nothing to do with what seems to have been excellent evidence — luckily fell Charkouai’s way. He obtained Canadian citizenship, and is still purveying robustly Islamist antisemitism to his fan base.
Fabrice de Pierrebourg, Quebec’s leading journalist on terrorism, followed the trajectories of up to 30 hard-core jihadists for many years in the 1990s, making frequent trips to Lebanon and the North African countries from which most Montreal Islamists derive. In 2007 he published Montrealistan, an examination of the route to radicalization of young Muslim men in Montreal.
De Pierrebourg found the two main vectors were sermons in the mosque the recruit attended and the Internet chat rooms he surfed obsessively. Many of the recruits talked candidly to de Pierrebourg. They went, via Internet lures, from merely bored or socially awkward to radicalized within weeks.
It’s important to note that focusing on Islamist antisemitism isn’t to gainsay the extreme antisemitism on the academic left and their indoctrinated acolytes, whose hateful words and antics we have also witnessed in the aftermath of Oct 7. But, while lefties are happy to participate in the rallies and the marches, it is international Islamist groups that organize them and mainly Islamists who are calling for harassment and violence against Jews.
Officially, relations between Montreal Jews and Quebec, and between Quebec and Israel, are excellent. Quebec was in fact poised to open a representative bureau in Tel Aviv, one of 20 internationally, intended to strengthen relations and bolster cooperative ventures in research and innovation between Quebec and Israel. Unfortunately, this war has forced a deferral until conditions are more propitious.
Meanwhile, thanks to his predecessors’ insouciance regarding corollary cultural elements in their language-based immigration strategy, Premier Legault has his work cut out for him. Nobody doubts his commitment and concern.
The question, as Europe has discovered, is whether law enforcement and political resolve will be sufficient to stuff an angry, Judeophobic genie back into a bottle most western governments blithely uncorked through their infatuation with multiculturalism, or in Quebec’s case fixation on language, both of which, alas, necessitated a self-destructive indifference to the epidemiology of terrorism.
Barbara Kay: How Quebec turned into a hotbed of antisemitism
Multiculturalism's failures are on display
nationalpost.com
They weren't loyal to the countries that took them in the past.
More than a million Palestinians in Gaza are now displaced; why are Arab countries not opening their doors?
Expert says some Arab countries fear aid to Gazans could help Hamas terrorists
JERUSALEM — At a summit of leaders from more than 50 Arab and Muslim states held last weekend in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Israel’s military response in Gaza following Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre was fiercely condemned.
But what was missing from the gathering’s final statement was any immediate solution for the 2.3 million civilians of the Palestinian enclave, more than half of whom are now internally displaced after nearly six weeks of fighting.
While the final resolution called for an immediate end to "the brutal Israeli aggression on Gaza" and made offers of humanitarian and financial aid to the Palestinians, not one country came forward with a viable solution, even temporarily, for the 1.5 million civilians who, according to the latest U.N. figures, are now internally displaced in the southern section of the Strip.
As the death toll in Gaza rises, thousands of civilians continue to flee the conflict and head southward, where the Israeli military has said it is safer and where truckloads of food, water, and medicine arrive daily via the Rafah Crossing with Egypt. The U.N. estimates 250,000 fled in the past week alone.
Some have questioned why nearby Arab countries, who have provided temporary shelter in the past to civilians from other regional conflicts, appear unwilling to even discuss sheltering the refugees from Gaza.
"Arab states have historically been divided with regard to their stance on the Palestinian people and numerous other significant issues," Ahed Al-Hindi, a senior fellow at the Center for Peace Communications, told Fox News Digital. "Although these states project solidarity with the Palestinian people, they hold divergent views on the most effective course of action."
"Certain countries, including those in the Arab Gulf, Jordan, Morocco and Egypt advocate for a two-state solution, which they believe can be accomplished through diplomacy. Conversely, the Iranian axis espouses the ideology of obliterating Israel and establishing a Palestinian state extending from the river to the sea."
Al-Hindi said the primary reason why even the moderate states, most of which have diplomatic ties with Israel, have not taken practical steps to help the civilian population in Gaza is due to their aversion to Hamas and its goals."
"As a result, many Arab countries are concerned that aiding the Gazans could inadvertently benefit Hamas, given that the organization has ruled in Gaza for nearly a generation," he said. "Hamas is a network affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Muslim Brotherhood opposes every Arab monarch. This poses significant internal risks to the aforementioned states."
"Ideologies of the Muslim Brotherhood advocate for the overthrow of Arab monarchies and the formation of a Sunni revolutionary Islamic republic, which would resemble Iran but operate under the banner of Sunni jihadism," Al-Hindi added. "Since Hamas serves as an agent for Iran, which in turn presents an additional danger to Arab monarchs, the majority of these nations are worried that their assistance to Gaza may fall into the clutches of Hamas."
The two Arab countries bordering Israel on either side — Egypt and Jordan — have both pointedly refused to offer refuge to any number of Palestinians from Gaza, even though Jordan already has a large Palestinian population and Egypt’s expansive and sparsely populated Sinai Peninsula is just a few miles from where the thousands of Palestinians are now being cared for by international aid agencies.
Earlier this month, Egypt’s Prime Minister Mostafa Madbouly dismissed calls for displaced Palestinians to resettle in the Sinai desert, saying his country would protect its land and sovereignty at any cost. His comments came following the revelation of an Israeli intelligence document proposing that residents of the Strip be evacuated to tent cities in Sinai as the Israeli military works to destroy Hamas.
"We are ready to sacrifice millions of lives to protect our territory from any encroachment," Madbouly said in a recent speech, advocating that a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians was the only comprehensive resolution that would guarantee regional peace.
Hussain Abdul-Hussain, a research fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told Fox News Digital that such a solution should have been touted by the international community at the onset of the war.
"Washington should have made the humanitarian argument, helped fund a camp for Gaza refugees in Sinai and guaranteed their return after the end of the war," he said. "This would have convinced Egyptians to take them."
www.foxnews.com
More than a million Palestinians in Gaza are now displaced; why are Arab countries not opening their doors?
Expert says some Arab countries fear aid to Gazans could help Hamas terrorists
JERUSALEM — At a summit of leaders from more than 50 Arab and Muslim states held last weekend in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Israel’s military response in Gaza following Hamas’ Oct. 7 massacre was fiercely condemned.
But what was missing from the gathering’s final statement was any immediate solution for the 2.3 million civilians of the Palestinian enclave, more than half of whom are now internally displaced after nearly six weeks of fighting.
While the final resolution called for an immediate end to "the brutal Israeli aggression on Gaza" and made offers of humanitarian and financial aid to the Palestinians, not one country came forward with a viable solution, even temporarily, for the 1.5 million civilians who, according to the latest U.N. figures, are now internally displaced in the southern section of the Strip.
As the death toll in Gaza rises, thousands of civilians continue to flee the conflict and head southward, where the Israeli military has said it is safer and where truckloads of food, water, and medicine arrive daily via the Rafah Crossing with Egypt. The U.N. estimates 250,000 fled in the past week alone.
Some have questioned why nearby Arab countries, who have provided temporary shelter in the past to civilians from other regional conflicts, appear unwilling to even discuss sheltering the refugees from Gaza.
"Arab states have historically been divided with regard to their stance on the Palestinian people and numerous other significant issues," Ahed Al-Hindi, a senior fellow at the Center for Peace Communications, told Fox News Digital. "Although these states project solidarity with the Palestinian people, they hold divergent views on the most effective course of action."
"Certain countries, including those in the Arab Gulf, Jordan, Morocco and Egypt advocate for a two-state solution, which they believe can be accomplished through diplomacy. Conversely, the Iranian axis espouses the ideology of obliterating Israel and establishing a Palestinian state extending from the river to the sea."
Al-Hindi said the primary reason why even the moderate states, most of which have diplomatic ties with Israel, have not taken practical steps to help the civilian population in Gaza is due to their aversion to Hamas and its goals."
"As a result, many Arab countries are concerned that aiding the Gazans could inadvertently benefit Hamas, given that the organization has ruled in Gaza for nearly a generation," he said. "Hamas is a network affiliate of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Muslim Brotherhood opposes every Arab monarch. This poses significant internal risks to the aforementioned states."
"Ideologies of the Muslim Brotherhood advocate for the overthrow of Arab monarchies and the formation of a Sunni revolutionary Islamic republic, which would resemble Iran but operate under the banner of Sunni jihadism," Al-Hindi added. "Since Hamas serves as an agent for Iran, which in turn presents an additional danger to Arab monarchs, the majority of these nations are worried that their assistance to Gaza may fall into the clutches of Hamas."
The two Arab countries bordering Israel on either side — Egypt and Jordan — have both pointedly refused to offer refuge to any number of Palestinians from Gaza, even though Jordan already has a large Palestinian population and Egypt’s expansive and sparsely populated Sinai Peninsula is just a few miles from where the thousands of Palestinians are now being cared for by international aid agencies.
Earlier this month, Egypt’s Prime Minister Mostafa Madbouly dismissed calls for displaced Palestinians to resettle in the Sinai desert, saying his country would protect its land and sovereignty at any cost. His comments came following the revelation of an Israeli intelligence document proposing that residents of the Strip be evacuated to tent cities in Sinai as the Israeli military works to destroy Hamas.
"We are ready to sacrifice millions of lives to protect our territory from any encroachment," Madbouly said in a recent speech, advocating that a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians was the only comprehensive resolution that would guarantee regional peace.
Hussain Abdul-Hussain, a research fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told Fox News Digital that such a solution should have been touted by the international community at the onset of the war.
"Washington should have made the humanitarian argument, helped fund a camp for Gaza refugees in Sinai and guaranteed their return after the end of the war," he said. "This would have convinced Egyptians to take them."
More than a million Palestinians in Gaza are now displaced; why are Arab countries not opening their doors?
A recent summit of Arab and Muslim states condemned Israel’s war against Hamas but stopped short of offering shelter, even temporarily, to Gaza’s civilian population.
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May these supporters meet their 72 virgins as soon as possible! Inshallah!
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Oh lordy, back to the same argument.
As in: 'we made all the Palestinians really, really mad at us by bombing the shit out of them over and over again and forcing them to live in a concentration camp so now we think they are too angry to be let out'.
Its so fucked.
Israel has to end the blockade, apartheid and occupation.
Israel needs to give all Palestinians full citizenship and the vote.
And stop this shite.
The current population is about 50/50.
You must include all Palestinians living under Israeli rule.
After all, Israel has wiped Palestine off the map and basketcase and leimonis say it never even existed.
There is only the one state, apartheid Israeli.
So end apartheid and give them citizenship and the vote.
How do you know there hasn't been and there isn't pushback?
You don't actually ever read anything by Palestinians.
Ever.
Likely the genocidal intent of Netanyahu is also only backed by a small percentage of Israelis.
And what about the intent of the 'settlers', who you claim aren't really colonial settlers?
No mandrill, each of those have legal rulings by the UN stating that they are illegal.
Each one.
I'll post them if you want.
Why do you excuse Israeli war crimes?
Immaterial to the defence of killing the civilians that you say are being used as human shields.
They are still civilians you are choosing to kill.
And why won't you discuss the blocking of food and water?
