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richaceg

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They are invading Al Shifa because they need the propaganda, they know they built a bunker under that hospital in 1983.

Likely they are busy prepping for the photo ops now.
Trudeau said Hamas needs to stop using Palestinians as human shields and release all hostages "immediately and unconditionally." Canada has designated the group as a terrorist organization for more than 20 years.

I believe him....
 

shack

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Israel will grab more land, after this conflict, under the guise of "security", and the Gazans will be pushed into an even smaller enclave in southern Gaza.
That's what I keep saying. No matter how much you and Fringie try to justify Oct. 7, it obviously was not a good move. Hamas and Gaza will be worse off than before. That's what happens every time they become aggressive.

Instead:

 
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mandrill

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You are talking about citizens. The crime of apartheid, as defined by international law, has nothing to do with citizenship. Citizenship is not a criteria for the crime of apartheid to happen.

The term “apartheid”, an Afrikaans word, derived from the French term “mettre à part”, literally translated to “separating, setting apart.” Apartheid is a policy that is founded on the idea of separating people based on racial or ethnic criteria.

Imposing restrictions in movement, application of different laws for Israelis and Palestinians for the same crimes in the West Bank, the land grabbing, instituting and maintaining a system that is structurally designed to keep people apart, the law of return applying to Jews who never lived in present day Israel (it would even apply to me today if I were to convert to Judaism) but not to the Palestinian refugees or their descendants, who DID live in the land FAR LONGER than most Israelis (even in the 1940s) etc are considered apartheid. And Israel is guilty of it. Here is an entire PDF on it.


Here is a great documentary if you are too lazy to read a PDF. Infact this documentary draws parallels between South Africa and Israel.

So what do you suggest?

That Israel gives the HAMAS rape-torture-killers full citizenship, so they can vote to exterminate all Jews in Palestine?
 

versitile1

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You sure know how to miss the point (and subtlety).
Which was what? That you think dinosaurs and homo sapiens walked the earth at the same time. Why else would you write that?
 
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richaceg

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No. Do one of two things: a) Return stolen lands to the Palestinians and work towards a full two state solution. or b) Work towards a one state solution, where Palestinians get full citizenship much like Israelis.

While simultaneously taking out Hamas leadership through covert strikes and economic sanctions/measures. After all, Hamas could not have existed without Israeli patronage and would not continue to exist, without the strife, without the oppression and without the colonization.

So use a two pronged approach to both take out Hamas and work on longer term, actual peace, which involves co-existing, and not apartheid and stealing.



Yes! Modern day Democrats are increasingly looking like Bush era Republicans! Cheney would be proud!
Which land were stolen? How can you work on a 1 state solution when palestinians won't even recognize Israel as a state? Why did Egypt gave up Gaza? Why did Jordan gave up the west bank? those are Arab countries giving up on palestinians...meanwhile you expect Israel to just roll over everytime palestinians come up with aggression and suicide bombings...and yes...FYI...suicide bombings also happen before Hamas...the aggression didn't start with them...it didn't start 1948 either...
 
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Dutch Oven

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Which was what? That you think dinosaurs and homo sapiens walked the earth at the same time. Why else would you write that?
No one is in any doubt about why you are repeating yourself, and why you gleaned nothing from my response to you. If you still don't get it, then just carry on - happy in your own world, but spare us your lack of perception.
 
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It is not Israel that is deliberately targeting civilians but Hamas that beheaded, burned and massacred civilians in the worst horrors perpetrated on Jews since the Holocaust. While Israel is doing everything to keep civilians out of harm’s way, Hamas is doing everything to keep them in harm’s way. Israel provides civilians in Gaza humanitarian corridors and safe zones, Hamas prevents them from leaving at gunpoint. It is Hamas not Israel that should be held accountable for committing a double war crime - targeting civilians while hiding behind civilians. The forces of civilization must back Israel in defeating Hamas barbarism.
 
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