Israel at war

[shack]

But the whole 'chosen people' thing is inherently racist bullshit. That is why whether you are Jewish or not depends not on your preferences, but on your heritage (your mom has to be Jewish). Which other religion has such racist requirements?

You are becoming more and more defensive. Any little thing sets you off with shouts of racism.

Anybody in the world can become Jewish if they want. How racist.

As far as being the "chosen people", they've been persecuted basically forever. So, many Jews ask God, couldn't you have chosen someone else?

 

[mandrill]

If Israel is making the choice to attack Hamas despite civilians being in the way, then it is a war crime. As it is defined per international law. You can say "no" all day long. But it is a war crime.

No.

 

[mandrill]

Defensive about what? I dont have a dog in this fight.

I have been saying the same thing about Israel since page 1. That it is racist and apartheid. Here I am giving an example of how the Jewish religion itself discriminates and is racist.

This entire conflict is one of racism, apartheid and sectarianism. Similarly, non Jewish support especially in the west, for this has everything to do with racism and Islamophobia. So those topics are going to come up again and again and again. It is what it is.

Nope.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722655529145630941

 

[Conil]

Noo, they were there to make pancakes no human shields

Watch: Al Jazeera accidentally airs footage of Hamas terrorists in a hospital

Al Jazeera TV accidentally airs footage of Hamas terrorists inside Indonesian Hospital in Gaza, providing further proof that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722731047572394026

Al Jazeera TV accidentally aired footage of Hamas terrorists inside the Indonesian Hospital in Gaza, providing further proof of the fact that Hamas uses civilians as human shields and operates out of civilian areas.

The IDF Spokesperson recently provided proof that Hamas routinely and, in an emergency, uses humanitarian infrastructure in the Gaza Strip for the benefit of its terrorist activities and to protect its terrorists and the leaders of the terrorist organization.

The headquarters of the organization's activity in the Gaza Strip is Shifa Hospital, which is the central and largest hospital in the Gaza Strip, located in the heart of Gaza City.

On Thursday, an IDF source said that soldiers located a Hamas weapons production and storage facility inside a residential building, right next to a children's bedroom.

While operating in Gaza, the soldiers discovered a Hamas weapons manufacturing and storage facility used to produce and store UAVs and weapons.

Watch: Al Jazeera accidentally airs footage of Hamas terrorists in a hospital

Al Jazeera TV accidentally airs footage of Hamas terrorists inside Indonesian Hospital in Gaza, providing further proof that Hamas uses civilians as human shields.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Conil]

You say Akbar we say Auf Wiedersehen Buh bye

Hamas supporters leave Germany after being outlawed

Supporters of the Hamas and Samidoun terror groups flee to Switzerland after German government announces ban on activities.

A number of members of groups which support the Hamas and Samidoun terror organizations have fled Germany for Switzerland after the German government outlawed the groups.

Shortly after the October 7 massacre in Israel, Samidoun activists distributed cakes and candies in Berlin, Germany. The organization's purpose is to provide economic support for terrorists who carry out terror attacks in Israel.

The group succeeded in fleeing Germany before the law banning it went into force throughout the country.

Last week, German Federal Minister of the Interior and Homeland Nancy Faeser announced a complete ban on activities of the Hamas and Samidoun terror organizations.

Samidoun was recognized as a terror organization by Israel several years ago. The organization, which claims its objective is to fight for "the Prisoners of Palestine," is affiliated with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

"As Federal Minister of the Interior, I am today banning the activities of HAMAS and Samidoun in Germany and dissolving Samidoun in Germany," the Minister wrote on X.

Hamas supporters leave Germany after being outlawed

Supporters of the Hamas and Samidoun terror groups flee to Switzerland after German government announces ban on activities.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[Conil]

Apparently Hamas/Isis supporters tried to stop screening. The shit is going to hit the fan if this video is leaked.

Under heavy security: Video of Hamas atrocities screened for Hollywood officials

The 40-minute video, prepared by the IDF spokesman and containing hard-to-watch graphic materials from the terrible massacre on October 7, was screened for about 200 people in Los Angeles; A violent fight broke out outside the venue between demonstrators carrying Israeli and pro-Palestinian flags

A screening was held Wednesday night at the Simon Wiesenthal Center's Museum of Tolerance in Los Angeles of video footage of the massacre of Israelis by Hamas on October 7. The film titled “Bearing Witness to the October 7th Massacre,” prepared by the IDF spokesman, was screened for foreign and Israeli reporters as well as members of the Knesset last week and drew harsh reactions; in LA, none of those watching the screening got up and left.

Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Gilad Erdan, spoke in place of director Guy Nattiv, who had been scheduled to come to the screening and open the event. This film "will change the way you view the Middle East and the war in Gaza," Erdan said. "People ask me all the time: Why did they film themselves doing what they did? And I answer - because they wanted to terrorize the Israelis so that they will never feel safe in Israel."

Under heavy security: Video of Hamas atrocities screened for Hollywood officials

The 40-minute video, prepared by the IDF spokesman and containing hard-to-watch graphic materials from the terrible massacre on October 7, was screened for about 200 people in Los Angeles; A violent fight broke out outside the venue between demonstrators carrying Israeli and pro-Palestinian flags

www.ynetnews.com

 

[shack]

I called out Hamas and Israel in post# 6833 on this thread.

Bullshit you don't even mention Hamas let alone cite what they've done.

Typical gaslighting and dancing by frank. And he thinks we're stupid enough to fall for it.

You are a complete fraud.

 

[shack]

I called out Hamas and Israel in post# 6833 on this thread.

Name one particular incident in which Hamas has committed what you consider a war crime and/or terrorism and they should be taken to the ICC for it.
How about Oct. 7? A surprise attack in which they killed 1,400 civilians.

And then do the same for Israel.

 

[Frankfooter]

that's what happens when you allow terrorists build tunnels under civilian structures....when you declare war with your neighbors, you evacuate your civilians...Hamas obviously have no regard for civilians they're suppose to "protect"...

That's what happens when you force 2.3 million indigenous people to live in a concentration camp.

 

[Frankfooter]

There's only 1 side when you battle terrorists...and Hamas are terrorists...

So are Israelis.

You just like one race of terrorists more than the other.

 

[Frankfooter]

But I assume that the population's access to information is 100% controlled by HAMAS and they are dragooned and bullied and that means that most of them are sympathetic to HAMAS and its way of doing business.

Just like you can't really blame the German population in the 1930's and 1940's for Hitler and the Nazis, but you can be damned sure that many - if not most - Germans were cheering for Hitler pretty hard, right up until the end.

Is that like the side that's cheering for the genocide that's being enacted right now?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714953208840278296

 

[Frankfooter]

South Africa created it and set the terms. It was discrimination of their own citizens based on skin colour. In ANY country of the world no non-citizens get the same rights as legitimate citizens do.

Are Gazans treated differently than Israelis? Sure. But come up with another term because "by definition" it is not apartheid.

Oh! And by the way, the fact that Israel has instituted measures against Gaza that are oppressive DID NOT HAPPEN IN A VACUUM (Back at ya'.). Rockets were being fired from Gaza.

Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity

Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has...

www.amnesty.org

Amnesty is a joke and is clearly anti-Israeli. Not at all impartial. From Wikipedia:

In 2010 Frank Johansson, the chairman of Amnesty International-Finland called Israel a nilkkimaa, a derogatory term variously translated as "scum state", "creep state" or "punk state".[47][48] Johansson stood by his statement, saying that it was based on Israel's "repeated flouting of international law", and his own personal experiences with Israelis. When asked by a journalist if any other country on earth that could be described in these terms, he said that he could not think of any

In November 2012, Amnesty UK began a disciplinary process against staffer Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty UK campaigns manager, because of a posting on his Twitter account, said to be anti-semitic, regarding three Jewish members of parliament and Operation Pillar of Defense where he wrote: "Louise Ellman, Robert Halfon and Luciana Berger walk into a bar ... each orders a round of B52s .

In the April 2015 annual Amnesty International UK AGM, delegates voted (468 votes to 461) against a motion proposing a campaign against antisemitism in the UK. The debate on the motion formed a consensus that Amnesty should fight "discrimination against all ethnic and religious groups", but were divided over the issue of an anti-racism campaign with a "single focus". The Jewish Chronicle noted that Amnesty International had previously published a report on discrimination against Muslims in Europe. NGO monitor released a statement saying the decision "highlights the hypocrisy and moral bankruptcy of what was once a leader in human rights advocacy

Those are not the words and actions of impartial people.

NGO monitor is an Israeli propaganda organization, nice try.

Amnesty investigated and came to the same conclusion as everyone else that has investigated. HRW, B'tselem, an Israeli organization and the UN.
They found what most Israelis say as well, that Israel is apartheid.

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.

news.un.org

 

[shack]

I mean if they were to release hostages that easy, then why would they take them in the first place?

There are many things they forgot to consider. They are driven by pure hate, not by reason.

But it certainly sounds like you are supporting hostage taking and keeping seeing as you haven't called for their release. "They just can't give them up that easy. Keep them until you can get some good use out of it."

I'd like to hear you call for their immediate release. If you already did, I missed it.

Also, how do you explain the 60 hostage deaths due to Israeli's airstrikes?

You need verifiable proof to claim that.
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[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722686754509996405

 

[shack]

NGO monitor is an Israeli propaganda organization, nice try.

More lies.

NGO Monitor » ngomonitor (ngo-monitor.org)

NGO Monitor is a project of The Institute for NGO Research, a recognized organization in Special Consultative Status with the UN Economic and Social Council (since 2013).

Follow the Money
Providing details on thousands of grants from governments and private foundations to Israeli and Palestinian NGOs, with tools to generate specific tables and graphs.
Quarterly Reports on Foreign Government Funding
Annual Reports on Foreign Government Funding
Palestinian NGO Funding Database

 

[mandrill]

That's what happens when you force 2.3 million indigenous people to live in a concentration camp.

No.

Someone steals $100 from my car one night. Does that justify me going over to their home and breaking their 5 year old kid's finger?!

The fact that you repeat leftie slogans ad nauseam and apparently believe them doesn't justify the torture, rape, murder and kidnapping of 1,400 innocent people by HAMAS. Smarten up.

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1722686754509996405

You don't realize that The Onion is a satirical magazine that publishes nonsense, do you?

 

[shack]

I'd like you to first answer my earlier question several pages ago and condemn Israeli, war crimes and acknowledge the indiscriminate bombings.

Slight omission. None of that says you call for the immediate release of the hostages.

I also don't see any evidence of your frivolous claim of 60 hostages being killed. You are sounding more and more like frank.

And I know why. Both of you are supporting a terrorist organization while at the same time trying to say you condemn terror. Once your hypocrisy is exposed and you're painted into a corner, you duck, dodge and deflect instead of making a clear admission of facts.

frank refuses to call Oct. 7 a terror attack that killed 1,400 civilians and you refuse to call for the immediate release of the 230 hostages.

Birds of a feather hide under the covers together because you're too afraid to show who really are by answering the simplest of requests.



Can you call for the immediate release of the 230 hostages?

 

[shack]

Terrorism is targeting civilians.

Like the Oct 7. attack.
Since you have never condemned the activities of that date, you've labelled yourself a supporter of terror.

Either you're against terrorism or you support it.

Guaranteed your response will include at least one lie.