Neither side is right now.
But if Rwanda can get past a genocide so can Israel.
Do you think Israelis and Palestinians can't?
In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism
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But if Rwanda can get past a genocide so can Israel.
Do you think Israelis and Palestinians can't?
And absolute truth. The fact that you keep endorsing Hamas despite them standing for pretty much everything you claim to stand against shows quite clearly that you simply don't care about morals when Jews are involved.
The way you keep making excuses for terror from groups like Hamas and PIJ and the way you keep ignoring what Palestinians want (as opposed to wanting them forced into things they hate) and they way you pretend like Arabs and Palestinians have no agency, you've clearly shown you think Palestinians are incapable of moral behaviour.
You are so far down the extremist hole that calling for both sides to be held to the law makes you think I support Hamas?
You are very twisted.
I support BDS, peace and the end of apartheid.
lest we forget!
“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial - B'nai Brith Canada (bnaibrith.ca)
“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial
“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial
B’nai Brith Investigation: A so-called Jewish group has
links to a White Supremacist Hate Site
By Aidan Fishman
B’nai Brith Canada
Campus Affairs Coordinator
A group that calls itself Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), and passes itself off as an organization that speaks on behalf of Jewish Canadians, promotes Holocaust denial through social media, a B’nai Brith investigation reveals.
Postings on the group’s official Twitter and Facebook accounts have been directing followers to articles from the white supremacist hate site Veterans Today. One article in particular falsely asserts that no more than 1-million Jews were killed by Nazi Germany and characterizes modern antisemitism as a natural reaction to Israeli policies. The article was also promoted online by Sid Shniad, a B.C. resident who serves as IJV’s co-chair and official spokesperson.
Both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Law Poverty Center have denounced Veterans Today as a white supremacist hate site, replete with false accusations of Jewish responsibility for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy, and the Sandy Hook elementary school shootings.
The posting by IJV cannot be described as accidental or unknowing. In fact, one Facebook follower of the IJV page explicitly pointed out that the article supports Holocaust denial, but IJV failed to answer it or delete the link.
IJV has a controversial history in Canada. It was founded in 2008, and became one of the first groups in the country to endorse the anti-Israel boycott in 2009. In that same year, IJV co-founder Diana Ralph was outed by the National Post as a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. At the time, IJV distanced itself from Ralph’s views, and she claimed to resign all posts within the organization, but is still listed as a member of IJV’s Steering Committee on its website. To this day, IJV advocates for the complete isolation and demonization of Israel.
IJV has since become a key component of the anti-Israel movement in Canada, exploiting its status as a self-declared “Jewish” organization to lend a veneer of credibility to the movement’s crusade against the Jewish State.
Occasionally, JVP activists or speakers at JVP events veer into classic antisemitic ideas and themes. In at least two instances, JVP or participants at a JVP-organized event propagated allegations related to the blood libel. In another instance, a JVP leader argued that genocidal sentiment towards non-Jews is embedded in Judaism, a claim that has also been made by hardcore antisemites.
Some JVP activists and event participants have promoted violence and/or terrorism, as well as terrorist groups and figures, including terror organization Hamas and PFLP terrorists Leila Khaled and Rasmea Odeh. Others have minimized or justified terrorism, including by alleging that the idea of “civilian Israelis” is a “myth.”
Language espoused by JVP has attempted to sever Zionism and Zionists from any left-wing movements for social justice. JVP activists and rally-goers have compared Zionists to Nazis; equated Zionists with terrorists; alleged that one cannot be Zionist and anti-racist; and called for Hillel, the premier Jewish student organization in the U.S., to be “boycotted and isolated” due to its embrace of Zionism.
Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP): What You Need to Know | ADL
“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial - B'nai Brith Canada (bnaibrith.ca)
“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial
“Independent Jewish Voices” Promotes Holocaust Denial
B’nai Brith Investigation: A so-called Jewish group has
links to a White Supremacist Hate Site
By Aidan Fishman
B’nai Brith Canada
Campus Affairs Coordinator
A group that calls itself Independent Jewish Voices (IJV), and passes itself off as an organization that speaks on behalf of Jewish Canadians, promotes Holocaust denial through social media, a B’nai Brith investigation reveals.
Postings on the group’s official Twitter and Facebook accounts have been directing followers to articles from the white supremacist hate site Veterans Today. One article in particular falsely asserts that no more than 1-million Jews were killed by Nazi Germany and characterizes modern antisemitism as a natural reaction to Israeli policies. The article was also promoted online by Sid Shniad, a B.C. resident who serves as IJV’s co-chair and official spokesperson.
Both the Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Law Poverty Center have denounced Veterans Today as a white supremacist hate site, replete with false accusations of Jewish responsibility for the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the assassination of former U.S. President John F. Kennedy, and the Sandy Hook elementary school shootings.
The posting by IJV cannot be described as accidental or unknowing. In fact, one Facebook follower of the IJV page explicitly pointed out that the article supports Holocaust denial, but IJV failed to answer it or delete the link.
IJV has a controversial history in Canada. It was founded in 2008, and became one of the first groups in the country to endorse the anti-Israel boycott in 2009. In that same year, IJV co-founder Diana Ralph was outed by the National Post as a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. At the time, IJV distanced itself from Ralph’s views, and she claimed to resign all posts within the organization, but is still listed as a member of IJV’s Steering Committee on its website. To this day, IJV advocates for the complete isolation and demonization of Israel.
IJV has since become a key component of the anti-Israel movement in Canada, exploiting its status as a self-declared “Jewish” organization to lend a veneer of credibility to the movement’s crusade against the Jewish State.
- Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) is a radical anti-Israel and anti-Zionist activist group that advocates for the boycott of Israel and eradication of Zionism.
- JVP does not represent the mainstream Jewish community, which it views as bigoted for its association with Israel. JVP’s staunch anti-Zionist positions place it squarely in opposition to mainstream American Jews and Jews worldwide, most of whom view a connection with Israel as an integral part of their social, cultural or religious Jewish identities. JVP promulgates the view that Jews who identify even tangentially with Israel are motivated by white supremacy, Jewish racial chauvinism and religious supremacism.
- The spread of JVP’s most inflammatory ideas can help give rise to antisemitism. Many left-wing groups have uncritically accepted JVP’s anti-Zionist claims, elevating their harsh rhetoric related to Israel and Zionism and furthering the widespread antisemitic vilification and ostracization of many American Jews who identify as Zionists. This has helped to create a hostile environment for Jews on many campuses and in many progressive spaces.
- JVP alleges that law enforcement missions to Israel organized by Jewish groups help to perpetuate police brutality. Since 2017, JVP has claimed that Israel, alongside a few U.S.-based community and Jewish organizations, is responsible for “police brutality, especially against people of color, on American streets” because those organizations have facilitated periodic seminars between American and Israeli law enforcement officials. This “Deadly Exchange” narrative has metastasized within American progressive circles, with some implicating Zionism and Israel in the murder of George Floyd and the broader oppression of people of color in the United States. JVP’s willful misrepresentation of police exchanges injects extreme anti-Israel animus into important social justice movements, detracting from pressing civil rights work and often leading to the vilification of American Jews.
- Approximately 12 JVP chapters are active on college campuses, where members often work closely with chapters of the anti-Israel student group Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) to promote anti-Israel initiatives, messages and events.
- In addition to JVP’s promotion of messaging that descends into the antisemitic vilification of “Zionists,” the group has expressed support for violence and, occasionally, classic antisemitic tropes. Some JVP members, leaders and chapters propagate rhetoric or sponsor events where participants express support for violence or terror against Israelis and vilify Zionist Jews. In a few instances, they have espoused blatant antisemitic tropes, including modern manifestations of the blood libel and allegations of Jewish dual loyalty to the countries in which they live.
Occasionally, JVP activists or speakers at JVP events veer into classic antisemitic ideas and themes. In at least two instances, JVP or participants at a JVP-organized event propagated allegations related to the blood libel. In another instance, a JVP leader argued that genocidal sentiment towards non-Jews is embedded in Judaism, a claim that has also been made by hardcore antisemites.
- National JVP, May 2022: A cartoon depicted Israeli soldiers joyously drinking the blood of dead Palestinians.
- May 11, 2022: A rally in Los Angeles co-hosted by JVP-LA, American Muslims for Palestine, Palestinian Youth Movement and others featured a doctored photo of former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, with a Jewish Star of David drawn on his forehead and blood dripping out of his open mouth, standing over the body of a bloodied Palestinian child. Text on the poster reads “Can’t Get Enough Save Palestinian Kids.” A separate section of the same banner depicted deceased Palestinian children with accompanying text, “The Zionists=Palestinian Children Killers.” Another banner featured the same doctored photo of Netanyahu, but with the additions of two swastikas on Netanyahu’s forehead and a mustache meant to represent that of Adolf Hitler.
- In a 2015 speech at Portland State University, former JVP Deputy Director Cecilie Surasky stated that the traditional Jewish doctrine that Jews must be a "light unto the nations" is "predicated on a system of racial and ethnic superiority," and should be interpreted as a divine justification for "ethnic cleansing, even genocide."
Some JVP activists and event participants have promoted violence and/or terrorism, as well as terrorist groups and figures, including terror organization Hamas and PFLP terrorists Leila Khaled and Rasmea Odeh. Others have minimized or justified terrorism, including by alleging that the idea of “civilian Israelis” is a “myth.”
- May 2021: May 22: A speaker stated at a rally organized by the Philadelphia Free Palestine Coalition, which includes JVP, SJP and YDSA:
- “We have to be willing to do anything for Palestine, not just in words. We have to be like our brothers, our soldiers of Gaza, our soldiers of the resistance. You have to start[sic] and when you start to understand those words you will start becoming less afraid of saying the H word, [Hamas] what is the H word? They are the only ones that’s fighting for Palestinians.”
- April 2022: JVP Detroit claimed that there are no Israeli civilians, and all Israelis may be treated as soldiers on the battlefield:
- "In the aftermath of any act of resistance carried out by Palestinians, many hasten to condemn the ‘barbaric’ act of killing ‘civilian’ settlers, in complete disregard of the systemic violence that ‘Israel’ commits against Palestinians on a daily basis, and in a blatant attempt to distort the truth that Palestinians are the only civilians to have ever existed in historical Palestine. Zionist settlers are either current or future soldiers in the IOF’s reserves or veterans."
- May 2021: JVP Knoxville posted a photo from a rally where a participant held a sign reading: “Blaming Hamas for firing rockets is like blaming a woman for punching her rapist.”
- January 2019: At a panel event at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, speaker Noss Petashnik, who was introduced as being affiliated with SJP and JVP, said:
- “Women have been visible in armed resistance in Palestine. One woman I want to give special mention to is Leila Khaled, a member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine [PFLP]…I mention her specifically because I remember reading her biography and feeling inspired by her story.”
- August 2017: JVP hosted and honored PFLP member Rasmea Odeh, who was convicted in an Israeli court in 1970 for being involved in a 1969 bombing that killed two Hebrew University students.
Language espoused by JVP has attempted to sever Zionism and Zionists from any left-wing movements for social justice. JVP activists and rally-goers have compared Zionists to Nazis; equated Zionists with terrorists; alleged that one cannot be Zionist and anti-racist; and called for Hillel, the premier Jewish student organization in the U.S., to be “boycotted and isolated” due to its embrace of Zionism.
- May 18, 2022: At a rally in Washington, D.C. co-sponsored by SJP, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and JVP-DC, an activist told the crowd:
- “As Muslims, as Arabs, we condemn ISIS because they operate under the guise of Islam…Zionists are likewise fucking terrorists because they operate under the guise of Judaism. They’re not Jewish.” The crowd responded by chanting “Zionists are terrorists.”
- May 15, 2022: At a rally in New York City hosted by JVP, AMP, PYM, Palestine Solidarity Alliance of Hunter College, NY4Palestine (a collection of groups in which John Jay College SJP is a member) and others, a protestor held a sign reading: “The Nazis are still around, they just call themselves Zionists now.”
- Rabbi David Mivasair, member of JVP’s Rabbinical Council, April 2022:
- “Hillel has been occupied by Zionism. It was the ‘home for Jewish students on campus’. But, no more. It has been captured by Zionist lobby and turned into propaganda tool. It should be boycotted and isolated.”
- April 2019: JVP at Portland State University sold t-shirts with inflammatory messages to promote an event with anti-Israel academic Norman Finkelstein. One shirt read:
- “Israel is a garbage country that’s only loved by garbage people. It was founded on ethnic cleansing, apartheid, and settler-colonialism. Its flag is a symbol of white supremacy.” Another t-shirt proclaimed, “All Zionists are racists. Every single one.”
- November 2020: JVP Bay Area: “you cannot be anti-racist and Zionist."
Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP): What You Need to Know | ADL
The history of the Jews in Tunisia extended nearly two thousand years and goes back to the Punic era. The Jewish community in Tunisia is no doubt older and grew up following successive waves of immigration and proselytism before its development was hampered by anti-Jewish measures in the Byzantine Empire. The community formerly used its own dialect of Arabic. After the Muslim conquest of Tunisia, Tunisian Judaism went through periods of relative freedom or even cultural apogee to times of more marked discrimination. The arrival of Jews expelled from the Iberian peninsula, often through Livorno, greatly altered the country. Its economic, social and cultural situation has improved markedly with the advent of the French protectorate before being compromised during the Second World War, with the occupation of the country by the Axis.[1] The creation of Israel in 1948 provoked a widespread anti-Zionist reaction in the Arab world, to which was added nationalist agitation, nationalization of enterprises, Arabization of education and part of the administration. Jews left Tunisia en masse from the 1950s onwards because of the problems raised and the hostile climate created by the Bizerte crisis in 1961 and the Six-Day War in 1967.[2] The Jewish population of Tunisia, estimated at about 105,000 individuals in 1948, numbered around 1,000 individuals as of 2019.[3][4][5] These Jews lived mainly in Tunis, with communities present in Djerba.
History of the Jews in Tunisia - Wikipedia
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Other than the fact that you keep trying to justify Hamas terror while arguing against international law?
Is that an antisemitic attack on a Jewish group interested in peace and human rights?
Saying Hamas and Israel should both be taken the the Hague for targeting civilians is 'justifying terrorism' to you?
Or is it that you think its justifying terrorism to suggest that Palestinians have basic human rights including the right to self defence against an illegal, apartheid occupation?
Which is it?
Frankfooter's racist, antijewish and terror supporting posts. Everytime he gaslights I will display his racist and anti Jewish posts
everytime you lie about my posts i will pull up your racist quotes
here you a are calling a woman with immigrant background a mail order bride
and here are franky's support for terrorism against jews and israeli civilians and support for hate crimes
quoting the Palestinian Centre for Human Right who are linked to the PLPF terrorist organization
quoting btselem an anti-semitic website who was caught hiring holocaust deniers
franky again quoting from btselem who hires holocaust deniers using the anti-semitic term "Jewish Supremacy
racist towards me saying blacks cannot defend israel ignoeing the fact that over 180,000 black people reside in israel which includes 25,000
black americans. quoting jewish voice for peace that supports terrorism and was busted citing neo nazi and white supremacists websites
claiming that black persons cannot support Israel that have over 180,000 black people living there
justifying terrorists attacks against israeli and jewish civilians
supports the anti-jewish vandalizing of a business owned by a Jewish man and making excuses for it
promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region.
apologist for hamas the terror group
defending the PLFP terror group
refuses to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes commited by anti-jewish gangs
refuses to condemn the anti-semitic attacks on jewish shoppers at a supermaket in Thornhill, Ontario Canada.
franky continues to sink deeper and deeper into anti-jewish terrorism. franky defends a mapping project in Massacheusets
anti-jewish activists create a list of jewish organzations for anti-semitic purposes
more anti-black racism
supports and defend anti-semitic actions at the University of Wisconsin
franky butturt at the definition of anti-semitism because he is one
franky defends a terrorist that was killed in a shootout with the IDF
defends hamas claiming that it is islamophobic to call hamas terrrorists
defending an anti-semitic terror supporting rally
defending a terrorist attack against a security guard(security guards are civilians)
still refuses to condemn hamas
post anti-black racism to deflect rom his support for terrorists and anti-jewish hate crimes
justified the murder of a security guard
franky resorts to slander defending the Fatah organization who admitted that they are a terrorist organization
continue to lie and slander
still lying and slander
still defending hamas
franky saying the intafada(terrorism and against israelis and jews) is resistance
defending a voilent anti-semitic organization "Within our lifetime"
defending hamas again
defending Rabab Abdulhadi, a San Francisco State University associate professor with a history of expressing support for terrorist groups
defending PFLP Terrorist organization
defending the Fatah organization that recently called for terrorist attacks against Israel
Franky defending the terrorists that were killed after shooting at the IDF
Franky defending an anti-jewish hate crime vandalism
citing an anti-semitic, terrorist supporter Sana Saeed
defending terrorist organzation calling themselves the lions den
refusing to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes in New York
Justifying the murder of civilians
franky supports the right of palestinians to commit terrorism against jews and israelis
justifying the killing of Israeli Civilians
franky's continued justification for terrorist attacks
promoting a youtube channel that promotes holocaust denialism, anti-semitic claims of jewish control, the khazaria myth, and terror apologism
franky used an anti-semitic term "Jewish Supremacy" which is used by white supremacists, neo nazis and other anti-jewish types to demonize jews
refusing to condemn an antisemitic grafiti on a Barcelona synagogue
which means he defend hate crime vandalism of synagogues
still refusing to condemn anti-jewish hate crimes in Barcelona and instead post content from CJPME An anti-jewish organization whose members
defaced products in a Jewish Store and claim jews are more loyal to Israel than Canada
evidence of CJPME inciting anti-jewish hate
franky defending terrorists in gaza launching rockets at civilians which are terrorism and war crimes
franky refuse to coondment anti-jewish hate crimes in an Australian University and instead linke to a hamas linked website
Franky refuse to condemn Hezbollah thugs who blasted a Hezebollah song at a Jewish School and instead resort to gaslighting
franky says terrorist supporters targetting jewish children with terrorist music is free speech
franky posting an image promoting terrorism and ethnic cleansing of Jews
franky defends terrorists shooting at a mother driving her kids
franky continues to justify terrorism against civilians driving cars with israeli plates and calling a 15 year old child a militant
franky calling civilian Jews terrorists
Your naive child like world view is that of a naive child who thinks world peace is achievable. If I didn’t know better I’d swear you’re related to JT.
Your world views also includes trying to force your values on the world when that’s never going to happen. Morals are not universal. And, for the record is part of the problem in the Mid East. Translated into something you might understand “you can’t help those that don’t want help ( peace).
You spout platitudes and lip service about self determination for Palestinians, but won’t do the same for Israelis. You cry about Israel using sanctions, but yell for sanctions against Israel.
Etc
He really makes a great spokesman for you.
Its hard to find people who identify as black who will support apartheid.
canadaman admits every accusation he makes against me is slander he can't back up by refusing to answer a challenge.
canada-man says 4/5's of the world's countries are antisemites.
canada-man says if you accuse someone of terrorism that means you can kill them.
canada-man supports death squads.
canada-man refuses to acknowledge that Palestinians are humans.
canada-man confirms he supports apartheid.
Canadaman refuses to call out Israel for using snipers to kill 60 civilian children.
Canada Man defends killing an American civilian for protesting for human rights in Gaza.
Canada Man calls supporting the two state solution 'antisemitic'.
Canada Man falsely accuses me of gaslighting.
Canada Man denies the existence of Palestine.
Canada Man denies that Palestinians have the right to self defence.
Human rights are supposed to be universal, but clearly morals aren't.
It may be naive to be against apartheid, genocide and death camps but if that's the case, I'm ok with it.
I'd rather be naive than supporting genocide.
Though I'd say that the naive ones are the ones that think another, way more violent, round of death will lead to more peace and security for anyone.
What do you think you're teaching the 1 million children living Gaza right now?
August 2005: Israeli forces unilaterally withdraw from Gaza after 38 years of occupation and dismantle settlements, transferring control to the Palestinian Authority. The territory is still considered "occupied" by the United Nations because Israel maintains control of its entry points, airspace, and territorial waters.
January 2006: The Islamist group Hamas, which refuses to recognise Israel, wins the majority of seats in Palestinian legislative elections.
June 2006: Hamas captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in a cross-border raid from Gaza, leading to Israeli air raids and incursions.
June 2007: Hamas takes complete control of the Gaza Strip after months of fighting with the rival Fatah faction, headed by President Mahmoud Abbas. Israel tightens its siege of the territory, severely restricting the entry of essential goods.
December 2008: Israel launches a deadly 22-day military offensive in Gaza after rocket attacks on the Israeli town of Sderot. Approximately 1,400 Palestinians and 13 Israelis are killed before a ceasefire is reached.
November 2012: Israel targets and kills Hamas's military chief of staff, Ahmad Jabari, before bombing Gaza from the air for eight days.
July-August 2014: The abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers by Hamas-affiliated militants in the West Bank sparks a seven-week war, resulting in the deaths of more than 2,100 Palestinians in Gaza and 73 Israelis, including 67 soldiers.
March 2018: Palestinian protests begin at Gaza's fenced border with Israel. Israel responds with violence, resulting in more than 170 Palestinian deaths in several months of protests and escalating tensions between Hamas and Israeli forces.
May 2021: After weeks of tension during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, hundreds of Palestinians are injured by Israeli security forces at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in East Jerusalem. Hamas launched rockets at Israeli West Jerusalem in response. Israel responded with a fierce assault on the Gaza Strip. The 11-day conflict resulted in at least 260 deaths in Gaza and 13 in Israel.
August 2022: More than 30 Palestinians, including women and children, are killed in Israeli airstrikes in the Gaza Strip. Palestinian Islamic Jihad responded by firing dozens of rockets into Israel after two of its commanders were killed in the airstrikes.
LOL. So he's not black. He just identifies as black. I see. You are an equally opportunity racial insulter.
I've disagreed plenty with him but when he's right, he's right.
And his post proves that you are entirely in the wrong according to the vast majority of TERBites.
This is an anonymous board, shack. I hear you also identify as human.
Do you have anything to add to this forum besides insults, slander and support of genocide?
Center for Constitutional Rights in the US.
Everywhere people are calling for a ceasefire while you call for genocide.
Oooo. Horrible insult.
See frank. That's what I keep saying.
I contribute a lot more to the board than you do.
Aside from politics, I am frequently posting in sports, lounge, I post an occasional review (I used to review way more). I discuss all manner of topics, some humorous, some not so much. I engage with others on a variety of topics. There are some who don't like me, but for the most part I am accepted. For the most part you are very disliked.
You are here for 1 purpose and 1 purpose only. You are a disrupter. You are here to upset people and cause arguments. And you're being successful as evidenced by the mods having to issue a warning.
You post only in the politics section pushing your agenda. That is the totality of your contributions. Why are you on this board at all?
Great, now you're branching out for the spurious accusations that I lie into one that I don't review.
Am I bothered that my call for a ceasefire and the end of apartheid bug you?
Not in the least.
No more than I was bothered by bud plug when he defended the Charlottesville killing.
This is the world's reactions to you right now.
As always you skirt the points being made by deflecting and refusing to address the issues.
The point is that you contribute absolutely nothing to the board other than fomenting discord. Pointing out how you post nothing in the other forums proves my point.
You are on TERB to spew hate and push your political agenda. It's a place for you to disseminate propaganda. I ask again, why are you on this board? What do you get out of it?
Franky the anti black, antijewish and terror apologists likes to call women with immigrant backgrounds mail order brides
