In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

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how is punching a kid who refused to say "Free Palestine" help the Palestinian People?




A Jewish teen walking in the heavily Jewish neighborhood of Midwood in Brooklyn, N.Y., was hit in the face by an attacker because he wouldn’t say “Free Palestine.”

The victim and his friend, both 18-year-old yeshivah students, were walking down a busy street full of shops and restaurants when a group of teenagers began following them.
One of the teens approached them and demanded that they say “Free Palestine.” When the students ignored him, the assailant allegedly punched one of them, giving him a bloody eye.


The attacker and the other teens with him fled from the scene. The victim was taken to the hospital by paramedics from the volunteer group Hatzalah. No arrests have been made in the case.

New York State Sen. Simcha Felder, who represents the neighborhood, is personally offering a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and prosecution of the attacker. He made the announcement on Twitter, saying “Enough is Enough! These attacks must end!”

Jewish teen in Brooklyn punched for refusing to say ‘Free Palestine’

The assault follows two other incidents within the week, including an attack in which a rabbi was beaten by a man who yelled: “The Nazis should have killed you Jews.”

www.jns.org

 

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Palestine is presently occupied by...

Why do you keep trying to argue with your own human rights groups when they say attacks on Jewish civilians are not justified, no matter what side of the Green Line they're on?

As the Amnesty report stated, civilian protection is lost while the otherwise civilian person is engaged in an attack on authorities or other civilians. That means the Hamas hero who attacked people in a park should not be counted as a civilian during that act. The Fatah hero who gunned down people in a restaurant should be counted as a civilian during that act. The couple dozen Palestinians killed in the past month or two who were killed while attacking Israeli police or civilians should not be counted as civilians. You will though because you love inciting against Israel.

Yes, any settler who is attacking Palestinians loses civilian status. Unlike what you claim though, other Jews in the West Bank or Israel do not lose their civilian protections because some other Jew attacked someone.

p.s. What is the border of Palestine?


p.p.s. Which is worse, declaring building permits or threatening attacks on Jews worldwide?

Hamas warns of synagogue attacks in case of new al-Aqsa raid

The Palestinian movement Hamas warned Saturday of attacks on synagogues if Israeli forces carry out another raid on the flashpoint al-Aqsa mosque in

english.alarabiya.net

 

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the latest antisemitic i mean pro-Palestinian rally in London, England


pro palestinian movements = anti jewish hate and support for terrorism.


A slew of controversial and antisemitic signs and chants were present on the streets of London yesterday during an anti-Israel rally that was organised by the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign (PSC), but numbers seem to have declined considerably since the last large-scale mobilisation of protesters.

An evidence gathering team from Campaign Against Antisemitism’s Demonstration and Event Monitoring Unit was present at the rally, which started outside the BBC’s headquarters, and ended at 10 Downing Street. Our team gathered evidence of numerous antisemitic placards, with a significant proportion equating Israel with Nazi Germany.

One placard read: “Well done Isr*el [sic] Hitler would be proud”, “Say no to fascism say no to Zionism”, and “If genocide wasn’t tolerated in 1945 why do we allow it in 2022?”.

Other signs read: “In Palestine 86% of Jews have no legitimate rights to be there. Palestine From the river to the sea” and “Zionism is racism.”

According to the International Definition of Antisemitism, “Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” and “Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination (e.g. by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavour)” are both examples of antisemitism.

The rally also featured disturbing chants, including “Victory to the intifada” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”

An intifada is a rebellion or uprising, but the Palestinian intifadas were characterised by acts of terrorism targeting Jews. The chant of “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” appears to refer to the River Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea, and therefore only makes sense as a call for the destruction of the world’s only Jewish state — and its replacement with a state of Palestine — and is thus an attempt to deny Jews, uniquely, the right to self-determination, which is a breach of the Definition.

This is not the first time that a PSC rally has been riddled with antisemitism. An investigation by Campaign Against Antisemitism in 2017 exposed extensive antisemitic bigotry amongst supporters of the PSC.

The rally featured several speakers that included Labour Party MPs Zarah Sultana and John McDonnell, Sinn Féin MP Francie Molloy, and Andrew Murray, the Chief of Staff to the Unite union.

Jeremy Corbyn, the antisemitic former leader of the Labour Party, did not attend in person but wrote a speech to be read out on his behalf. However, his older brother, the anti-vaccination conspiracy theorist Piers Corbyn, did make an appearance.

The rally’s organisers claimed that 10,000 to 15,000 people attended, but our estimate was a fraction of that number.

Campaign Against Antisemitism’s analysis of Home Office statistics shows that an average of over three hate crimes are directed at Jews every single day in England and Wales, with Jews almost four times more likely to be targets of hate crimes than any other faith group.

Antisemitism on display at thousands-strong anti-Israel march through London, but support drops to low ebb

 

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Why do you keep trying to argue with your own human rights groups when they say attacks on Jewish civilians are not justified, no matter what side of the Green Line they're on?

Why do you keep lying about what I say?
I have repeatedly and only ever said attacks on civilians are war crimes, yet you keep lying about this? I fully agree with Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem on this point, you are the one that disagrees with them.
Why are you so dishonest?

As the Amnesty report stated, civilian protection is lost while the otherwise civilian person is engaged in an attack on authorities or other civilians.

Amnesty also says the settlements are war crimes.

Chapter 3: Israeli Settlements and International Law

www.amnesty.org

As you have admitted, the settlements are illegal. The Un says they are war crimes. That means that every settler is a war criminal actively committing a war crime.

Israeli Settlements Should be Classified as War Crimes, Says Special Rapporteur on the Situation of Human Rights in OPT - Press Release - Question of Palestine

Report GENEVA (9 July 2021) – The UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, Michael Lynk, today called on the international community to designate the creation of Israeli settlements as a war crime under the Rome Statute of the...

www.un.org

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p.p.s. Which is worse, declaring building permits or threatening attacks on Jews worldwide?

Hamas warns of synagogue attacks in case of new al-Aqsa raid

The Palestinian movement Hamas warned Saturday of attacks on synagogues if Israeli forces carry out another raid on the flashpoint al-Aqsa mosque in

english.alarabiya.net

Beating people, kicking them out of their homes by force, using 'settlers' acting as militants backed by the IDF, actively stealing Palestinian land is all much worse than a threat.
Its actual violence and ethnic cleansing all in the name of colonial settler, apartheid rule based on racial supremacy.

Using an apartheid legal system to carry out the destruction of homes and ongoing ethnic cleansing and colonization is much worse than a threat.

 

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Why do you keep lying about what I say?
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Quoting you doesn't become a lie just because you get backed into a moral conundrum.

Repeated attacks on Jews, purely because they are Jews, and your response is simply to question where Israel's borders are or continue your repeated claims that Jews being in the West Bank aren't entitled to civilian protection. In fact you have repeatedly stated that since some Settlers commit acts of violence that they are all legitimate targets.

Especially dumb that you say you don't endorse attacks on civilians then follow up with idiotic statements like this one that flies completely in the face of your rights groups.

As you have admitted, the settlements are illegal. The Un says they are war crimes. That means that every settler is a war criminal actively committing a war crime.

After all the ways you expose yourself as a textbook anti-semite, you get surprised that you would be called that.



No surprise that you think Israel saying they may build more units inside settlements is worse than Hamas saying they will attack Jews worldwide.

 

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Quoting you doesn't become a lie just because you get backed into a moral conundrum.

You don't quote me, you just lie.
That's incredibly dishonest.

Repeated attacks on Jews, purely because they are Jews, and your response is simply to question where Israel's borders are or continue your repeated claims that Jews being in the West Bank aren't entitled to civilian protection. In fact you have repeatedly stated that since some Settlers commit acts of violence that they are all legitimate targets.

Nope.
You're lying again.
Palestinians have a right to self defence against the Israelis that are occupying their country illegally and subjugating them to apartheid rule.
That is not representative of the Jewish people and to claim it is means you are using antisemitic tropes.
Stop with the antisemitic tropes.

After all the ways you expose yourself as a textbook anti-semite, you get surprised that you would be called that.

I'm not surprised that someone who defends apartheid tries to accuse others of racism.
Its just incredibly pathetic when that means you are accusing Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem, since all I'm doing is quoting their reports.

No surprise that you think Israel saying they may build more units inside settlements is worse than Hamas saying they will attack Jews worldwide.

Israeli settler colonialism is actual violence, its ongoing ethnic cleansing through violent means.
That is worse than any threat, as its actual violence against an entire people.

 

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Palestinians have a right to self defence against the Israelis that are occupying their country illegally and subjugating them to apartheid rule.
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Another extremely disgusting justification of attacks on Jewish civilians and flying directly in the face of your own Amnesty. All you do is parrot talking points from racist, extremely religious terror groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Palestinians have a right to attack military targets BUT if they do so, they lose the protections of civilian status. There is absolutely no 'right' to attacks Jews simply for setting foot in land Palestinians want and no 'right' to gun down diners or butcher people walking in a park in land on the Israel side of the Green Line.

And it is transparently racist that you can ignore Hamas and Fatah promoting the murder of civilians and threatening attacks on Jews worldwide but act like it's the worst thing ever that Israel announced they may approve building permits inside existing settlements.


What Amnesty says:
Palestinian armed groups offer a variety of reasons for targeting Israeli civilians from retaliating against Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians to fighting an occupying power. Other justifications claim that Israeli settlers are not civilians or that striking at civilians is the only way to make an impact on a powerful adversary.

Under international law there is no justification for attacking civilians. Targeting civilians is contrary to fundamental principles of humanity enshrined in international law which should apply in all circumstances at all times. Amnesty International unreservedly condemns attacks on civilians, whatever reason the perpetrators give to their action.

And

However, the unlawful status of Israeli settlements does not affect the civilian status of settlers. Settlers, like any other civilians, cannot be targeted and only lose their protection from attack if and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities (Article 51 (3) Protocol 1).

Amnesty International, Breach of the Principle of Distinction | How does law protect in war? - Online casebook

casebook.icrc.org

 

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Another extremely disgusting justification of attacks on Jewish civilians and flying directly in the face of your own Amnesty. All you do is parrot talking points from racist, extremely religious terror groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

Palestinians have a right to attack military targets BUT if they do so, they lose the protections of civilian status. There is absolutely no 'right' to attacks Jews simply for setting foot in land Palestinians want and no 'right' to gun down diners or butcher people walking in a park in land on the Israel side of the Green Line.

And it is transparently racist that you can ignore Hamas and Fatah promoting the murder of civilians and threatening attacks on Jews worldwide but act like it's the worst thing ever that Israel announced they may approve building permits inside existing settlements.


What Amnesty says:
Palestinian armed groups offer a variety of reasons for targeting Israeli civilians from retaliating against Israeli killing of Palestinian civilians to fighting an occupying power. Other justifications claim that Israeli settlers are not civilians or that striking at civilians is the only way to make an impact on a powerful adversary.

Under international law there is no justification for attacking civilians. Targeting civilians is contrary to fundamental principles of humanity enshrined in international law which should apply in all circumstances at all times. Amnesty International unreservedly condemns attacks on civilians, whatever reason the perpetrators give to their action.

And

However, the unlawful status of Israeli settlements does not affect the civilian status of settlers. Settlers, like any other civilians, cannot be targeted and only lose their protection from attack if and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities (Article 51 (3) Protocol 1).

Amnesty International, Breach of the Principle of Distinction | How does law protect in war? - Online casebook

casebook.icrc.org

Now you're claiming that settlers are the ones occupying Palestine and ruling Palestinians through apartheid? Interesting, personally I think that's the state of Israel and the settlers are acting as war criminals on behalf of state policy. But you just argued that settlers are actively colonizing Palestine.
I never said anything about settlers, by the way, that's your take.

Of course it does agree with the B'tselem report saying that settlers are attacking Palestinian civilians and acting as militants with the backing of the IDF. That's terrorism, state terrorism and you have previously stated that you think that Palestinians are justified in using self defence against this form of terrorirsm.

So your question becomes when you think settlers are acting as plain old, war criminal, civilians.
I agree with Amnesty that Palestinians can't target civilians, same with Israel only the continually do so, as your example of militant settlers attacking Palestinians shows.

How do you think Palestinians can tell which are the plain old, war criminal, civilian settlers and which ones are the terrorist, militant settlers?
Do they wear uniforms?
Is it when the IDF is with them?

For background, I suggest you go through B'tselem's docs on the issue and then come back and tell us how Palestinians can identify which are militants and which are just war criminals.

https://www.btselem.org/settler_violence_updates_overview

What would you suggest?

 

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(May 20, 2022 / JNS) Canadian Jewish groups are calling for the government to take action after a National Post story last month highlighted the residency in Vancouver of a man the State of Israel says is a member of a terror group.

Terry Glavin wrote in an article titled “Is Khaled Barakat Part of a Terrorist Group or a Victim of Israeli Intimidation?” that “Barakat’s associates say he is a Palestinian rights activist and a freelance writer who is being victimized by an Israeli campaign to intimidate human-rights organizations.”

But Israel security, he said, has a different take on the 51-year-old who has been living in Canada on and off for some 20 years.

Glavin wrote “ … the Israeli security service Shin Bet has been unequivocal. Barakat is an active and senior member of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a listed terrorist organization in North America, the European Union, Japan and Australia.”

According to Michael Mostyn, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada, “Khaled Barakat’s ongoing presence raises serious questions about the efficacy of Canada’s immigration and anti-terrorism laws. Now that the issue has been made public, we fully expect that he will be removed from the country.

Canadian Jewish groups, leaders challenge Vancouver residency of designated terrorist

“Khaled Barakat’s ongoing presence raises serious questions about the efficacy of Canada’s immigration and anti-terrorism laws,” said Michael Mostyn, CEO of B’nai Brith Canada.

www.jns.org

 

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Now you're claiming ...

Sorry pal but I just quoted your much revered Amnesty. THEY say Jews being in the West Bank does not make them a legitimate target.

I love how often you say I'm lying about your claims of Jews not being entitled to civilian protections then you go out of your way to justify terrorism. You keep saying Amnesty is the arbiter of rights but in your excessively racist double standard, you turn around and ignore what they say. Pathetic.

Of course you will continue to complain that Palestinians killed while attacking Jews were 'murdered' and will continue to ignore Palestinian leaders promoting, celebrating, and threatening attacks on Jews simply for being Jews. You have no problem speaking up about that racist Hungarian's views on Jews but you have yet to say a word when the Hamas leadership threatened to attack synagogues worldwide. Why are you okay with condemning a European anti-semite but refuse to do so for Arab ones?

How do you think Palestinians can tell which are the plain old, war criminal, civilian settlers and which ones are the terrorist, militant settlers?
Do they wear uniforms?
Is it when the IDF is with them?

If Israel applied that same standard when dealing with Palestinians, you would rightfully be up in arms about it but here you are blatantly justifying attacks on Jews despite your Amnesty explicitly condemning that murderous rationalle.

 

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Sorry pal but I just quoted your much revered Amnesty.

Until you agree with Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem's reports on Israeli apartheid, I really don't care what you say about Amnesty. You can't pick and choose chapters.
Its like your accusations of racism. Apartheid is one step of evil less than genocide, dude, backing apartheid puts you on the same level of racism as white supremacists, except that you are backing ruling an entire people through brutal repression. There is very fortunately no country run by white supremacists, but there is a country run by supremacists through apartheid.

Israel’s apartheid against Palestinians: a cruel system of domination and a crime against humanity

Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has...

www.amnesty.org

Amnesty says Israel is apartheid.
You are defending apartheid.

Stop accusing anyone else of racism until you stop defending apartheid.

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

New all population Israeli-Palestinian survey: 45% of those living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea believe “apartheid” is an appropriate description of the regime

B’Tselem is publishing the results of its new commissioned public opinion survey. The survey, conducted by Dr. Dahlia Scheindlin and Dr. Khalil Shikaki, took a fresh approach by examining what all people living under Israeli control – Israeli and Palestinian citizens and Palestinian subjects in...

www.btselem.org

 

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the latest anti jewish pro terror i mean pro-palestinian event





B’nai Brith Canada said it was concerned about a Canadian politician’s anti-Israel activism, especially his participation in a recent “divisive mass truancy event” at a high school.

According to B’nai Brith, federal member of parliament Chandra Arya, who represents a riding in Ontariok, praised high school students using a megaphone after they left their school without permission on May 13 to attend an anti-Israel demonstration.

The protest “lamented the establishment of Israel and portrayed Jewish self-determination as a disaster while bemoaning Israel’s resilience in the face of adversity following the 1948 United Nations recognition of its independence,” B’nai Brith explained.

“There are significant ethical and safety issues with an MP addressing an event that encourages children to walk out of their class,” said Marvin Rotrand, B’nai Brith’s National Director of its League for Human Rights. “A video obtained by B’nai Brith shows Arya praising the organizers who encouraged students as young as 13 from several schools across Ottawa to skip classes to take part in demonstrations calling for the obliteration of Israel.”


Thought only a small group of students attended the demonstration, B’nai Brith noted that Arya addressed the students in attendance and “praised the organizers as part of a new generation of leaders.”

The advocacy group also pointed out that Arya – who it described as “one of Parliament’s most notorious Israel-bashers” – said that several of the event’s organizers were past and present members of the staff of his parliamentary office.

B’nai Brith alerted the Ottawa Carleton District School Board (OCDSB) about Arya’s involvement in the May 13 demonstration.

B’nai Brith has since learned the OCDSB intends to impose disciplinary measures on students who walked out and is investigating infiltration of its schools by groups using social media to disrupt classes.

“Chandra Arya seems to spend much of his working hours showing up at anti-Israel events,” B’nai Brith Canada CEO Michael Mostyn said. “Our 2021 Audit of Antisemitic Incidents registered a record 75 incidents of violence targeting Canadian Jews, much of it fueled by the vile sort of anti-Zionism we saw at this demonstration. Arya is a member of the majority caucus and should know better than to see children used to undermine Canada’s support of Israel and understand this will only stroke the flames of division between students of different backgrounds.”

B’nai Brith added that “there have been suggestions that Arya has been involved in other, similar protests.”


In response, the OCDSB issued a statement: “The OCDSB reminds students engaged in activism that the right to freedom of expression comes with the obligation to respect other people’s opinions that are different from their own. Typically, when students organize walk-outs or other actions, they move off school property. If a student demonstration or walk-out occurs, classes will continue to operate. As always our teachers strive to create spaces in classrooms where all students feel safe. Students advocating for a cause at school or in a place that may impact on the school climate are subject to our policies and School District Code of Conduct.”

The OCDSB also said that if students feel pressured into walking out of class they can speak “to a trusted adult in the school so that we can work with them to ensure their needs are addressed. This includes providing assurances of safety within the building, identifying a location for them to access well-being supports, and connection with family, as requested.”

B’nai Brith concerned about Canadian MP’s anti-Israel activism | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva

 

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Until you agree with Amnesty,...

I don't blindly accept any of them. You on the other hand have your patented double standard that their accusations about Israel are impeccable but claim they are 100% wrong saying attacks on Jewish civilians have no justification.

Jews being in the West Bank does not make them a legitimate target no matter how many times you and Hamas say they are.




And I laugh at the way you try to run away from your justification of textbook terrorism by using yet another diversion technique. Do you even get how transparent it is when you but quote and disavow Amnesty in the same post?

 

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I don't blindly accept any of them.

I back those reports. In full.
You don't.

You are now backing a pariah state, defending apartheid and attacking Amnesty, HRW and B'tselem.
I'm backing them, international law, equal rights and full democracy.
You are backing apartheid.

end of story

Every day Amnesty comes out with a new report that I back and you won't.

Court is hearing residents’ appeal today

‘This eviction plan is steeped in the cruelty of apartheid’

www.amnesty.org.uk

 

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terrorists threatening israel


Hezbollah Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah threatened Israel Wednesday ahead of the Jerusalem Day Flag March on Sunday.

In a speech marking the anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000, Nasrallah claimed that the "harm" the the Al Aqsa Mosque caused by the Jerusalem Day celebrations and could ignite the entire Middle East,

"In a few days, events are expected to take place in Jerusalem that could lead to an explosion. This is provocation against all Arab and Islamic nations," the Hezbollah leader claimed.

Hezbollah leader threatens Israel over Jerusalem Day march | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva

 

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Jewish-owned London restaurant defaced with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti
Popular north London restaurant Michaels Brasserie targeted with antisemitic graffiti.



A well known restaurant in north London has been targeted with antisemitic graffiti.

Michaels Brasserie, whose owner Michael Levi is Jewish, had its front window spray painted with the phrase “Free Palestine” in yellow and black paint. The vandalism occurred between the night of Saturday May 14 and early Sunday, the UK Jewish News reported.

According to Levi, the establishment had no outward signs that its owner was Jewish due to having removed the mezuzah on the front door recently after it broke.

Levi discovered the graffiti after entering the building at 6:30 a.m. to begin baking bread. He contacted police who took photos of the crime scene.

Jewish-owned London restaurant defaced with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti | Israel National News - Arutz Sheva

 

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Jewish-owned London restaurant defaced with ‘Free Palestine’ graffiti
Popular north London restaurant Michaels Brasserie targeted with antisemitic graffiti.

How is saying 'free Palestine' antisemitic, canadaman?
Explain.

 

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How is saying 'free Palestine' antisemitic, canadaman?
Explain.

As usual you have no problem with a random Jewish business being targeted for criticisms over israel.

Yet another tick on Canada's anti-semitic checklist.

• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

 

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I back those reports. In full.
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So why have you desperately been echoing Hamas talking points by saying Jews simply being in the West Bank makes them war criminals (also flies in the face of your stated support for equal rights)?

 

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As usual you have no problem with a random Jewish business being targeted for criticisms over israel.

Yet another tick on Canada's anti-semitic checklist.

• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

How is saying 'free Palestine' holding Jews collective responsible for the occupation of Palestine and its apartheid rule?
How is it antisemitic to call for the end of an illegal occupation?
The only way you could even think that is if you are the one 'holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel'
I didn't do that, nor did that grafitti.

How can one claim to be both not Jewish and to speak for the entire Jewish people?
The Canadian Jewish community does NOT support Israeli aggression

You should stop claiming all Jews are responsible for freeing Palestine, its antisemitic.
This is a campaign against an apartheid state.