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In the 21st century, anti-Zionism means anti-Semitism

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On ‘Palestinian Privilege’ (jns.org)


Palestinian Privilege is asserting your people are descended from Natufians and Canaanites, thus preceding the Jews in the country by 5,000 years.

Palestinian Privilege is ignoring the fact that the Arabs, as a collective, invaded the area of the Jewish homeland only in 638 C.E., conquering it and occupying it.

Palestinian Privilege is denying Palestine was ever a separate country, calling it Southern Syria and demanding the League of Nations Mandate be dissolved and the territory be reunited with Syria.

Palestinian Privilege is constructing a mosque on the site of a Jewish Temple, then denying that it ever existed, despite the fact that the Temple’s Western Wall is quite visible, even if you award it a new name: Al-Buraq.

Palestinian Privilege is when your political leader, Mufti Amin Al-Husseini, reaches out to Hitler in 1933, adopts Aryan anti-Semitic ideology, flees to Berlin and broadcasts pro-Axis propaganda and even prepares for crematoria to be built in Palestine, but nevertheless, accuse Jews of acting like Nazis.

Palestinian Privilege is during 1920 to 1948 engaging in ethnic-cleansing of Jews from locations they lived for centuries and generations, in Jerusalem and its environs—Hebron, Gaza and Shechem, among others—and then accuse Zionists of doing that.

Palestinian Privilege is to reject time after time, peace plans of territorial compromise by Jews—in 1922, when Transjordan was separated from the Mandate, in 1937, 1947, and so on—and yet claim that the Jews are the stubborn and unyielding side in the conflict.

Palestinian Privilege is to accuse the Zionists of apartheid while 20 percent of Israel’s population is Arab living throughout the state, but the Palestinian Authority prohibits land from being sold to Jews.

Palestinian Privilege is to announce Gaza is under occupation when Israel totally disengaged from it in 2005, dismantling all its communities, destroying its synagogues and removing the dead from its cemeteries.

Palestinian Privilege is to accuse Israel of genocide despite the fact that the Arab population has grown consistently since 1948.

Palestinian Privilege is to call the entire Temple Mount compound a mosque even though Al-Aqsa is only at the southern portion.

Palestinian Privilege is to be able to label as a “refugee” an Arab who resided for only two (!) years in the Mandate territory before leaving, even if later living in the Mandate Territory of Judea, Samaria and Gaza, and having that definition transferred to children and many-generational progeny through the father unique only to “Palestinian Refugees.”

Palestinian Privilege is the status of being able to initiate aggressive hostilities on the flimsiest of excuses and then demand consideration for being the victim.

Palestinian Privilege is to promote an eliminationist ideology of your opponent while insisting human-rights groups must support the schools, summer camps and social programs that develop and maintain that ideology.

Palestinian Privilege is to be part of the Arab world that participated in the slave trade and yet be supported by the Black Lives Matter group in the name of anti-colonialism; not to tolerate LGBT activists but be supported by groups like “Queers for Palestine”; and to promote Jew-hatred yet be backed by progressive Jews.

Palestinian Privilege is to be able to complain that your voice is muted while every available media outlet and social platform serves your cause and moreover, the academic conversation has been hijacked, and Jewish students cower on campuses.

Palestinian Privilege is being able to promote hypocrisy, prevarications, reverse-narratives and the most anti-humanist values to new levels of irrationality without fear of punishment or criticism; to employ virtue signaling and gas-lighting with impunity; to enlist mob rule whether in college corridors, news studios, media editorial offices or in the streets to bring about domination of your message while suppressing dissent.

Palestinian Privilege is to be clothed in democracy and liberalism while acting like fascists.

Yisrael Medad is an American-born Israeli journalist and commentator.
 

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I would have no problem with people personally protesting anyone for their defence of apartheid, colonialism, racism, targeting of civilians, state terrorism and brutality.
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By targeting people solely because of their religion. Should we start vandalizing South Asian restaurants about honour killings? Muslim businesses because Saudi Arabia and Iran are massive human rights violators? Businesses of people who's parents or grandparents immigrated from Russia?

Of course no but you have a major blind spot when it comes to Jews.


p.s. The Nakba was two ways. As 750,000 Arabs fled the conflict and haven't been allowed to return, a million Jews were stripped of their rights and chased from their home countries because like you, many Muslim majority states felt that being Jews, they should be persecuted because Israel was created.
 

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Here is Canada Man claiming that graffiti calling for the end of an illegal occupation is somehow worse than armed mobs backed by the army marching around yelling 'death to Arabs' and injuring hundreds.

CM appears to be against equal rights and all for apartheid.

I've been quite clear that I think marching season abhorrent but do your morals also apply to Palestinian groups who openly call for death or removal of Jews or is this yet another of your double standards?


p.s. I have to congratulate Hamas because this year they didn't try to 'defend' Jerusalem from the march by launching indiscriminate rockets at Jerusalem.
 

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By targeting people solely because of their religion.
I see that you still think this graffiti is more important than mobs of extremist Jews shouting 'death to Arabs', beating people and being supported by the army.
That was clearly a mob targeting people solely because of their religion, yet you refuse to criticize it or treat it with anywhere near the import you do this one piece of grafitti.
That really sums up how you are targeting your views solely on people based on their religion, as you refuse to criticize a mob shouting 'death to arabs' and instead think writing 'free Palestine' is somehow worse.

You really should stop targeting in debate people solely because of their religion.


p.s. The Nakba was two ways. As 750,000 Arabs fled the conflict
Don't rewrite history.
750,000 Palestinians were chased out of Palestine by Jewish terrorists and the state of Israel still refuses to honour their universal right of return.
There are now close to 6 million Palestinian refugees Israel should be returning to their homes, as repeatedly demanded by the UN.

I've been quite clear that I think marching season abhorrent
'Marching season'.

This is government sanctioned marches by religious extremists targeting people solely because of their religion, attacking them with the aid of the IDF and shouting genocidal slogans.
Now you think this is a season in Israel?
And you're still more concerned over one person spray painting a demand for the end of an illegal occupation?
 

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MICHIGAN, United States (JTA) – The US Supreme Court has declined to hear two different requests to take up a suit against a group of protesters who have gathered weekly outside an Ann Arbor synagogue for nearly two decades holding anti-Israel and antisemitic signs, seemingly closing off any remaining legal avenues against the long-running display.

The court issued orders in March and May denying petitions brought by two different congregants who had argued that the protests targeted Jews at their place of worship, violating their First Amendment right to freely exercise their religion.

The plaintiffs belong to two different congregations that both meet in the same synagogue building: Conservative Beth Israel Congregation and the Jewish Renewal-affiliated Pardes Hannah Congregation. Neither congregation was involved in the lawsuits.


The two congregants, one of whom is a Holocaust survivor, had first brought a joint lawsuit against the protesters, the city and Ann Arbor Mayor Christopher Taylor in 2019. Lower courts dismissed it on First Amendment grounds, and a judge ordered the plaintiffs to pay the protesters’ legal fees. Following a dispute between one of the plaintiffs, Marvin Gerber, and their attorney, Marc Susselman, the suit was broken up and two separate petitions under two separate attorneys were filed to the Supreme Court.

Both of those petitions have now been declined; Gerber’s was rejected most recently, on May 16.

Gerber had retained the well-known Jewish attorney Nathan Lewin, a veteran of the Supreme Court who has argued multiple Jewish-interest cases and who was a close friend of former Justice Antonin Scalia.


“I am shocked and dismayed that the Supreme Court and the court of appeals view antisemitic picketing timed and designed to harass and intimidate Jews only when they come to pray — clearly protected by the First Amendment’s Religion Clause — as free speech that may not be curtailed,” Lewin told the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.

He compared the case to a law that makes it a federal crime to protest or picket near a judge’s residence in order to influence a decision — a law that has been in the news lately as abortion rights protesters upset with a leaked Supreme Court draft appearing to overturn Roe v. Wade have protested outside the homes of conservative justices.

Jewish groups, including Agudath Israel of America, the Rabbinical Council of America and the Orthodox Jewish Chamber of Commerce, filed friend-of-the-court briefs on behalf of the plaintiffs.

Henry Herskovitz, the lead defendant and a regular presence at the weekly protests since their origins in 2003, told JTA that his group (identified in court documents as “Jewish Witnesses for Peace”) was “grateful” for the ruling, saying, “Freedom of expression is the bedrock principle of a democracy.”

Earlier this year, the Ann Arbor City Council issued a formal resolution condemning the protests as antisemitic. The protesters, who claim they are opposed to Israeli policy, have held signs with messages including “Jewish Power Corrupts” and “Resist Jewish Power.”

US Supreme Court rejects petitions against longtime Ann Arbor anti-Israel protesters | The Times of Israel
 

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Henry Herskovitz, the lead defendant and a regular presence at the weekly protests since their origins in 2003, told JTA that his group (identified in court documents as “Jewish Witnesses for Peace”) was “grateful” for the ruling, saying, “Freedom of expression is the bedrock principle of a democracy.”

Earlier this year, the Ann Arbor City Council issued a formal resolution condemning the protests as antisemitic.
So a synagogue took a Jewish protest group to the SC and called them antisemitic?
 

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I see that you still think this graffiti is more important than...
Are you going to admit that targeting someone's business for vandalism solely because they are a Jew is anti-semitic?

And just like you are blaming a London Jew for Israel existing, many Arab/Muslim states chased out indigenous Jews simply because of their religion. You obsess about how awful it is that Palestinians who fled a war zone weren't allowed back but don't seem to give the slightest shit that racism gave governments an excuse to persecute people hundreds of kilometres away. And the Arab states and Iran will absolutely not let the millions of descendants of those people to 'return' to their homelands like you expect Israel to do (even though only 10% of Palestinians actually want that). The only real difference is Israel went to great effort to support the 800,000 refugees from Arab lands while the Arab states locked refugees in camps. The other 200,000 fled to countries like Canada were again, treated as refugees should and were given the chance to assimilate.

More of your racist double standard.

And I must have missed all your posts condemning PA or Hamas government actions calling for removal or killing of Jews in the region. Oh wait, that wouldn't fit your agenda.
 
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racism and anti-semitism is allowed if you use Palestine and the Palestinian People in South Africa



The South Africa-based newspaper, Jewish Report, has been expelled from the Press Council of South Africa.

The move comes after a November 2020 article in the Jewish Report, which reported the opinion of two experts on antisemitism who argued that there was antisemitic imagery used in a cartoon advocating for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) against Israel.

The cartoon, which was posted to the Facebook page of the South African Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (SA BDS) Coalition, showed a grotesque, overweight banker in a pin-striped suit, with the logo of Israeli-owned dairy company Clover Industries on one shoulder, shovelling money into his mouth while a much smaller worker is left with much less. The words in the image read, “Don’t buy clover products!!” and “Don’t feed Clover’s greedy bosses!”

The caption on the post says: “Greedy bosses connected to apartheid Israel. Blood curdling milk [and cheese, yoghurt, etc.]. Every reason to boycott Clover! Change your brand. Viva GIWUSA [General Industrial Workers Union of South Africa] and the struggle for a living wage! Clover was recently permitted by the Competition Commission and the department of trade and industry to be owned by Central Bottling Company (CBC), in turn owned by Milco, an Israeli concern operating in the Occupied Territories. The unions and Palestine solidarity organisations jointly submitted objections to the Competition Tribunal. Our objections were ignored.”

Milton Shain, an Emeritus Professor of History at the University of Cape Town, said that, although the cartoon is not an obvious representation of a Jewish capitalist, “it has enough resonance with age-old antisemitic images and tropes.”

David Saks, from the South African Jewish Board of Deputies, agreed, saying that the image “helps confirm suspicions that stereotypes of greedy, exploitative Jews are being used to fuel the anti-Israel positions held by the various trade unions.”

Following the publication of the Jewish Report article, and a complaint by a member of the Palestine Solidarity Alliance on behalf of the SA BDS Coalition and the General Industrial Workers Union of SA (Giwusa), the Press Council of South Africa, which offers its members a code of ethics to guide South African journalists, expelled the Jewish Report. This is the first time in twenty years that the Council has expelled a member.

In response, the Chairperson of the Jewish Report, Howard Sackstein, issued a statement saying: “Through its failure to recognise the racist undertones of the cartoon, the Press Council became party to the perpetuation of racism, hatred and bigotry in South Africa. By calling on the South Africa Jewish Report to apologise to racists, the Press Council discredited itself and failed the people of South Africa.”

Jewish Report expelled from Press Council of South Africa after reporting on “racist undertones” of BDS cartoon (antisemitism.org)
 

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Are you going to admit that targeting someone's business for vandalism solely because they are a Jew is anti-semitic?

And just like you are blaming a London Jew for Israel existing, many Arab/Muslim states chased out indigenous Jews simply because of their religion. You obsess about how awful it is that Palestinians who fled a war zone weren't allowed back but don't seem to give the slightest shit that racism gave governments an excuse to persecute people hundreds of kilometres away. And the Arab states and Iran will absolutely not let the millions of descendants of those people to 'return' to their homelands like you expect Israel to do (even though only 10% of Palestinians actually want that). The only real difference is Israel went to great effort to support the 800,000 refugees from Arab lands while the Arab states locked refugees in camps. The other 200,000 fled to countries like Canada were again, treated as refugees should and were given the chance to assimilate.

More of your racist double standard.

And I must have missed all your posts condemning PA or Hamas government actions calling for removal or killing of Jews in the region. Oh wait, that wouldn't fit your agenda.
You still are claiming that one case of graffiti calling for the end of an illegal occupation is somehow worse than a crowd of thousands shouting 'death to arabs', attacking journalists and civilians, damaging property and attempting to terrorize civilians.

And you have the gall to say that I'm the one with a double standard?
As if complaining about apartheid is somehow worse than enacting, defending and controlling millions of people in apartheid rule.
As if calling for the end of a war crime and crime against humanity is somehow worse than a violent, genocidal mob backed by the state marching through a city.

You really writing 'free Palestine' is more racist than this?
 

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You still are claiming that one case of graffiti ...
Yes, one case of graffiti targeting a business purely because the ethnicity of the owner is a racist act no matter how much you want to deny it. Your views on Israel doesn't make it okay to target random Jews.


And despite your bullshit, I have already condemned and will condemn again nationalist marchers spewing hatred. I even condemned the march before it happened. Thing is I do this for both Jewish nationalists and Palestinian ones. A significant part of the Palestinian leadership push the goal of eliminating Jews from the region and pathetically you parrot their propaganda, just like you back banning Jews from their holiest site and your trying to hold Jews in London for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Hamas went so far this month as threatening synagogues around the world and you have carefully avoided commenting on it.

It is abhorrent for Jews to demand ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and it is wrong for Palestinians to demand ethnic cleansing of Jews.


p.s. yes, death chants are worse than graffiti but the Palestinian militants who murdered random Jews in restaurants and parks last month are worse than death chants.
 

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a strong correlation between anti-Israel activism and anti-Semitism.


Antisemitic Activity at U.S. Colleges and Universities with Large Jewish Populations, 2015 | AMCHA Initiative


  • Strong correlation between anti-Zionist student groups such as Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and antisemitism.
    • 99% of schools with one or more active anti-Zionist groups had one or more incidents of antisemitic activity, whereas only 16% of schools with no active anti-Zionist student group had incidents of overall anti-Semitic activity.
    • 57% of the schools with one or more active anti-Zionist student groups had one or more incidents that targeted Jewish students for harm, 91% of the schools with one or more active anti-Zionist groups showed evidence of antisemitic expression, and 80% of schools with one or more active anti-Zionist groups showed evidence of BDS activity.
  • Strong correlation between the presence of faculty who have expressed public support for an academic boycott of Israel and antisemitism.
    • 81% of the schools with one or more faculty boycotters had one or more incidents of overall antisemitic activity, whereas only 17% of schools with no faculty boycotters had incidents of antisemitic activity.
    • 100% of the 33 schools with 10 or more faculty boycotters had one or more incidents of antisemitic activity.
    • 46% of schools with faculty boycotters showed evidence of targeting Jewish students for harm, 74% of schools with faculty boycotters showed evidence of antisemitic expression, and 62% of schools with faculty boycotters showed evidence of BDS activity.
  • BDS activity strongly correlates with antisemitic activity.
    • 56% of schools with evidence of BDS activity had one or more incidents that targeted Jewish students for harm, whereas of the schools with no evidence of BDS activity, only 23% had incidents targeting Jewish students. In fact, schools with more incidents of BDS activity tended to have more incidents that targeted Jewish students for harm.
    • 95% of schools with BDS activity had one or more incidents of antisemitic expression, whereas of the schools with no evidence of BDS activity, only 33% had antisemitic expression. Schools with more incidents of BDS activity tended to have more incidents of antisemitic expression.
  • Presence of SJP, faculty boycotters and BDS strong predictors of antisemitism.
    • The presence of anti-Zionist student groups and the number of faculty who have publicly endorsed an academic boycott of Israel are, in combination, very strong predictors of overall antisemitic activity.
    • BDS activity is the strongest predictor of incidents that target Jewish students for harm, the factor with the most deleterious effect on campus climate.
  • Anti-Zionism permeates and is inseparable from contemporary campus antisemitism.
    • More than 150 talks, rallies, statements, films, displays, agitprop, op-eds and social media posts contained expression that demonized or delegitimized Israel by drawing on classic antisdemitic tropes of Jewish evil, power and mendacity.
    • On more than 60 campuses, Israel was vilified with false accusations of racism, ethnic cleansing, genocide, crimes against humanity, brutal slaughter, state-sponsored terrorism, theft of land, water and human organs, settler-colonialism, apartheid, fascism, white supremacy and Nazism. A speaker at one school called Israel “the embodiment of evil.”
    • At one-quarter of the schools, speakers and writers were explicit about their anti-Zionist stance, indicating that they were not simply critical of Israel’s policies but opposed to the very existence of the Jewish state. In fact, at many schools there was a clear conflation of classic antisemitic and anti-Zionist expression, indicating that the speaker or writer did not distinguish between the two.
    • A majority of incidents that threatened the safety or well-being of Jewish students or violated their civil rights were linked to Israel or Zionism.
The full report can be accessed here. An executive summary of the report can be found here.
 

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p.s. yes, death chants are worse than graffiti but the Palestinian militants who murdered random Jews in restaurants and parks last month are worse than death chants.
This was a mob of thousands yelling 'death to arabs', a genocidal chant. They were backed by the police and the IDF and their march was sanctioned and allowed by the government.
As you said, its part of a 'season', its not a one time event. Its an annual violent mob yelling genocidal threats at the native population.
Yet you posted about one piece of grafitti instead.

Even now, you try to minimize the flag march.

It is abhorrent for Jews to demand ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and it is wrong for Palestinians to demand ethnic cleansing of Jews.
I'm sure that's why you have called out the Israeli government for statements like this.

If you are against ethnic cleansing you should call for the right of return to be honoured for all Palestinian refugees.
If you believed in basic human rights, you'd argue that Palestinians deserve the same basic rights as everyone else living under Israeli rule.
If you were against racism, you'd be against apartheid.
 

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This was a mob of thousands yelling 'death to arabs', a genocidal chant....
And Palestinian people, encouraged by both Hamas and the PA have the same thing and openly promote it on TV and in sermons. Pathetically you are only capable of criticizing one side. Last month, Hamas threatened to attack Jews worldwide over Jews visiting Temple Mount and you were silent. Then you made excuses for why it is okay to target a Jew in London because you don't like Israel.

Do you care to explain how Jews calling for Arab deaths is disgusting but Palestinian leaders calling for Jewish deaths is acceptable to you?


p.s. Pretty dumb that you see me call racist marchers abhorrent while claiming I am trying to minimize it.
 

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If you are against ethnic cleansing you should call for the right of return to be honoured for all Palestinian refugees.
If you believed in basic human rights, you'd argue that Palestinians deserve the same basic rights as everyone else living under Israeli rule.
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If you believed in human rights, you would accept that only 10% of Palestinians refugees want to become Israeli and only 6% prefer equal rights with Jews. If you were against racism, you'd stop your pathetically racist double standard, your justifications for attacks on Jews, and your refusal to consider Palestinians accountable for their actions.


But I'm sure you are also calling on Arab/Muslim states to respect the rights of the million Jews they chased out of their homes using Israel's existence as an excuse for anti-semitism.
 

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And Palestinian people, encouraged by both Hamas and the PA have the same thing and openly promote it on TV and in sermons.
No, they don't have mobs that march through saying 'death to ....', nor does the PA back them and arrest Jewish protesters. Doesn't happen with Hamas either, though of course they are all locked in the world's largest open air prison and get shot by snipers if they get too close to the prison walls.

As you said, this is just an annual 'marching season' that only Jewish Israelis take part in, with the aid of the government, the army and the police.
Its an annual, genocidal march in support of colonizing Palestine and ruling it apartheid.
 

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If you believed in human rights, you would accept that only 10% of Palestinians refugees want to become Israeli and only 6% prefer equal rights with Jews.
True, they probably all want Palestine returned back to them.
That's a fair argument, after all, as you've admitted, its an illegal occupation.

Your numbers are of course wrong, I would expect nothing less from you.

While you're looking at polls, you could start here:

After all, its only old people and republicans who don't support Palestinians and Israelis.


If you believed in human rights you wouldn't support apartheid, settler colonialism and a brutal occupation.
 

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another day another pro Palestinian with ties to terrorists so what else is new? pro-Palestinian movement is terrorism and anti-jewish hate.



(June 3, 2022 / JNS) Jewish groups are decrying a four-day event being held this week in Ottawa that includes a speaker with ties to the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a recognized terrorist organization in Canada.

The event, titled “International League of Peoples Struggles in Canada,” seeks to oppose “Canadian imperialism and militarism.” Among its main speakers are Khaled Barakat, a resident of Vancouver who has been tied to the PFLP, and his wife Charlotte Kates, who runs Samidoun: Palestinian Prisoner Solidarity Network, which the Israeli Ministry of Defense calls a terrorist organization.


That it is being held at a city-owned facility, Foster Farms Community Centre, further troubles the Jewish community.

Shimon Koffler Fogel, president and CEO of the Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs, told JNS that “we are extremely concerned that PFLP-terror tied individuals and organizations have been able to rent space that falls under the jurisdiction of the City of Ottawa, a clear violation of the city’s policies meant to protect religious, national and ethnic groups from hate and incitement.

“We registered our concerns about the potential for this event to promote incitement towards the Jewish community with the city a month ago, and to our dismay, to our knowledge, so far no action has been taken,” he continued. “It is unacceptable to provide a public platform in Canada to those who call for ‘resistance’ against the Jewish people by ‘any means necessary.’ This should concern all citizens.”

Jewish groups in Ottawa decry public appearance by speaker tied to Palestinian terror group - JNS.org
 

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No, they don't have mobs that march through saying 'death to ....', nor does the PA ...
Good pretence. Hamas media and preachers routinely promote hatred against Jews, Hamas' official policy is the elimination of the Jewish presence, and they recently threatened synagogues worldwide. The PA routinely promotes the idea of replacing Israel, not equal rights.

But of course you are happy to excuse hatred against Jews as long as there is any connection to Israel. Recent examples are you trying to claim settlers aren't civilians and saying it's okay to blame Jews around the world for Israel.
 
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True, they probably all want Palestine returned back to them.
That's a fair argument, after all, ...
And once again, you promote the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the region. Nice.
And make your excuses but both the PA and Hamas consider Palestine to be the entirety of the former Mandate.

Your numbers are of course wrong, I would expect nothing less from you.
Once again you are telling the Palestinians their opinions don't matter. Why do you think opinions of Americans are more significant than the opinions of the people actually involved in the conflict?

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