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basketcase

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Were those two Jews killed last week illegal settlers living in an illegal settlement and undergoing military training combined with religious indoctrination? I’m only giving the same context that you try to give to Palestinian casualties. I suspect you’ll blow a gasket at this revelation but these aren’t law abiding civilians by any meaningful definition.
Ah, justifications for terrorism. Thanks. Meanwhile you blow a gasket when Israel dares shoot back at gunmen.
 

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Anyone who supports apartheid has no right to accuse anyone else of racism.
Period.
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The usual avoidance. Seems that's your only way of justifying your racist double standard.

And it's fun watching you trying to wriggle your way trying to defend BDS racism and their refusal to support any peace plan.
 

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Yes, I'm against apartheid, assassination and the illegal occupation.
Which of those do you think I'm supposed to support now?

All these raids are doing is encouraging another intifada.
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As usual, when a Palestinian commits an act of terror by killing two Jewish civilians driving down the road, your only complaint is that Israel tried to arrest the shooter.

I completely and repeatedly condemned the settlers violent response to the shooting but since you don't want to condemn the shooting that started it, you just need to lie about what I say.
 

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Ah, justifications for terrorism. Thanks. Meanwhile you blow a gasket when Israel dares shoot back at gunmen.
The way you blow a gasket when the local Palestinian population dares to shoot back at the illegal occupation?
Why is it that you think you have a right to occupy a land and that the locals don't have the right to self defence?
Oh yeah, apartheid, that's why.
 

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The usual avoidance. Seems that's your only way of justifying your racist double standard.

And it's fun watching you trying to wriggle your way trying to defend BDS racism and their refusal to support any peace plan.
Apartheid, you support apartheid.
You can't accuse anyone of racism as long as you back apartheid.

BDS supports basic human rights for Palestinians, so of course you think that's antisemitic the way you think saying 'free Palestine' is antisemitic, even if you back the two state solution and 'free Palestine' yourself.
Basically, anything that criticizes the Jewish supremacy you push is 'antisemitic' to you.


 

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The way you blow a gasket when the local Palestinian population dares to shoot back at the illegal occupation?
Thank you for once again justifying the murder of Jewish civilians. It's good for you to admit your hatreds every so often instead of trying to pretend you are interested in human rights.
 
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Apartheid, you support apartheid.
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You can scream and yell all you want but it doesn't excuse you for your continual justifications for terrorism and your obsessive demonization of anything related to Israel.

BDS does not support any peace plan. They do not support negotiations. They do not support encouraging Palestinian leadership towards peace. Like you, their only interest is punishing Israel. That's why many Western Democracies have condemned them as counterproductive and a home for racists.
 

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Thank you for once again justifying the murder of Jewish civilians. It's good for you to admit your hatreds every so often instead of trying to pretend you are interested in human rights.
I didn't mention civilians, Palestinians have a right to self defence against an illegal occupation but neither they or Israelis are allowed to target civilians.
Your hatred shows where you refuse to accept that Palestinians have any rights, including the right to self defence.

You can scream and yell all you want but it doesn't excuse you for your continual justifications for terrorism and your obsessive demonization of anything related to Israel.

BDS does not support any peace plan. They do not support negotiations. They do not support encouraging Palestinian leadership towards peace. Like you, their only interest is punishing Israel. That's why many Western Democracies have condemned them as counterproductive and a home for racists.
You can scream and yell all you want but that doesn't excuse your continual justifications for apartheid and settler colonial land theft.
BDS proposes peace through the end of apartheid and institution of full human rights, including the right to vote.

You support colonization and apartheid, you have no peace plan and back a government that hasn't held peace talks in a decade and continues to use force to take more of what could have been Palestine.
I support peace through non-violence, you support apartheid through violence.

 

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I didn't mention civilians, Palestinians have a right to self defence against an illegal occupation but neither they or Israelis are allowed to target civilians.
Your hatred shows where you refuse to accept that Palestinians have any rights, including the right to self defence.



You can scream and yell all you want but that doesn't excuse your continual justifications for apartheid and settler colonial land theft.
BDS proposes peace through the end of apartheid and institution of full human rights, including the right to vote.

You support colonization and apartheid, you have no peace plan and back a government that hasn't held peace talks in a decade and continues to use force to take more of what could have been Palestine.
I support peace through non-violence, you support apartheid through violence.

Since civilians were mentioned by bc.

 

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I'm sure basketcase will say that doesn't count as terrorism because:
a) they are Palestinian so therefore must be terrorists
b) state terrorism doesn't count as terrorism
c) the IDF said they all had molotov cocktails
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d) Haaretz is terrorist propaganda

Or all of the above.
He will have to add an e and f
e) the Washington Post is terrorist propaganda
f) they were being used as human shields

 
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I didn't mention civilians, ...
Yet you specifically referred to two civilians being killed while simply driving down the road. Back to you arguing that Amnesty et al are wrong.


It's funny to watch you run away from every discussion point, instead simply relying on ridiculous emotional language to justify your obsessive hatred of Jews being in the Middle East.
 

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I'm sure basketcase will say that doesn't count as terrorism because:
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It isn't.

If accurate, you might argue it being a war crime. Quite likely it could be described as misidentification by the troops who were previously under fire.

And you wanting to focus on the story while ignoring the large scale armed violence conducted by designated terrorist entities that was going on at the time just like Tucker did with Jan. 6.

Also worth noting is your insistence that armed action is an appropriate response to Israel trying to arrest suspects.


I also notice your care about civilians doesn't extend to Jewish civilians. if it did, you would have condemned Gilligan's supporting killing of Jews for being in the West Bank.
 

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Yet you specifically referred to two civilians being killed while simply driving down the road. Back to you arguing that Amnesty et al are wrong.


It's funny to watch you run away from every discussion point, instead simply relying on ridiculous emotional language to justify your obsessive hatred of Jews being in the Middle East.
Let’s get this straight…Palestinians who are in a military school and who illegally enter Israel and steal land from Jews would be considered civilians?
 
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.... to justify your obsessive hatred of Jews being in the Middle East.
Being against apartheid is not being against Jews anywhere, basketcase.
Criticizing apartheid is not antisemitic.

Or are you trying to argue that you think Israel can't exist without apartheid?
 

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It isn't.

If accurate, you might argue it being a war crime. Quite likely it could be described as misidentification by the troops who were previously under fire.
Of course you defend targeting civilians and then turn around and try to say I'm the one defending targeting civilians.
Its your modus operandi here.

You are still claiming to support the two state solution yet also arguing that Palestinians living in occupied Palestine don't have the right to self defence. That instead only Jewish Israelis have the right to self defence and the right to rule over Palestinians.
All you are supporting here is a violent colonization and apartheid rule of Palestine.

You need to understand that Palestinians are humans.
Humans that deserve basic human rights.

Can I buy you tickets to go see this show as a start to getting past your racism?

And if you won't leave your house, can you at least watch this on Netflix?
 

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Let’s get this straight…Palestinians who are in a military school and who illegally enter Israel and steal land from Jews would be considered civilians?
Franky loves Amnesty and they quite clearly say that simply living in occupied territory doesn't make one a military target.

He won't criticize you for what you say though because he agrees with you that being a Jew in the West Bank makes you a legitimate target.
 

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Being against apartheid is not being against Jews anywhere, basketcase.
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Yet your continual attempt to justify the murder of Jewish civilians, constant claims that Israel is illegitimate (while living in an outright colonial state), and refusal to hold any Palestinian accountable for their actions makes it clear that your only interest is in getting rid of Jews.
 

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Of course you defend targeting civilians and then turn around and try to say I'm the one defending targeting civilians.
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Yes, you defend targeting civilians simply because you think Jews have no right to be there. Very KKK of you.

And no matter how you want to portray it, when terror groups claim almost all of the dead people from Israeli arrest raids, I'll accept their statements that they aren't innocent civilians.


You are still claiming to support the two state solution yet also arguing that Palestinians living in occupied Palestine don't have the right to self defence
Why do you keep claiming that attacks on Jewish civilians are self defence?
 
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