International Holocaust Remembrance Day

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Yet your continual attempt to justify the murder of Jewish civilians, constant claims that Israel is illegitimate (while living in an outright colonial state), and refusal to hold any Palestinian accountable for their actions makes it clear that your only interest is in getting rid of Jews.

You keep arguing that without apartheid Israel can't exist and that my support of international law somehow is akin to targeting civilians.
You also refuse to accept human rights reports, accept that all settlements are illegal, the occupation is illegal and you back apartheid.

What it sounds like is that you don't think Israel can exist without apartheid.
You should learn from South Africa, they got past it so why can't Israel?

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.

news.un.org

 

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Yes, you defend targeting civilians simply because you think Jews have no right to be there. Very KKK of you.

I don't support targeting civilians, basketcase, that's your specialty.
And if you're going to talk KKK and supremacy, you need to call yourself out for supporting the Jewish apartheid supremacy of Ben Gvir and the Israeli government.

Apartheid is like the KKK on steroids, with snipers, drones, missiles and bombs.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632077003288633345

 

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You keep arguing that without apartheid Israel can't exist a...

Where the fuck do you come up with your claims from? Do you spend all night having pretend practice arguments with yourself?


I guess it's as sensible a claim as when you argue Palestinian gunmen shooting at passing cars is somehow self defence.

 

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I don't support targeting civilians, basketcase, that's your specialty.
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Of course your definition of civilian doesn't include any Jew living in a place Palestinians don't want them (despite what your Amnesty and B'Tselem say).

Hell, you desperately try to ignore attacks on Jewish civilians on the Israeli side of the Green line like the Hamas gunmen who shot up a Tel Aviv patio last week.

It is not "self defence" for Palestinians to shoot at random Jews, living their daily lives, even if they are in the West Bank. All those rights groups you selectively quote agree with me on that.

 

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Of course your definition of civilian doesn't include any Jew living in a place Palestinians don't want them (despite what your Amnesty and B'Tselem say).

Hell, you desperately try to ignore attacks on Jewish civilians on the Israeli side of the Green line like the Hamas gunmen who shot up a Tel Aviv patio last week.

It is not "self defence" for Palestinians to shoot at random Jews, living their daily lives, even if they are in the West Bank. All those rights groups you selectively quote agree with me on that.

But you support shooting Palestinian civilians crossing the border into Israel without Israels permission but call Palestinians shooting Israeli civilians who entered the Occupied Territories without Palestinian permission terrorists.

 

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The one thing that made an incredible impression on me during one of the trips to Auschwitz was the presence of the Israeli Jews with the Israeli flags. Other than that, it's a horror show.

 

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Where the fuck do you come up with your claims from? Do you spend all night having pretend practice arguments with yourself?


I guess it's as sensible a claim as when you argue Palestinian gunmen shooting at passing cars is somehow self defence.

You are the one arguing that equal rights in Israel would lead to genocide and that only apartheid can keep the Jewish population safe.
BDS succeeding and apartheid ending is your nightmare.

I think both Palestinians and Jews can get over the occupation and apartheid, but you need to end the occupation or apartheid first.
You keep arguing for more colonization and more violence.

 

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Of course your definition of civilian doesn't include any Jew living in a place Palestinians don't want them (despite what your Amnesty and B'Tselem say).

Hell, you desperately try to ignore attacks on Jewish civilians on the Israeli side of the Green line like the Hamas gunmen who shot up a Tel Aviv patio last week.

It is not "self defence" for Palestinians to shoot at random Jews, living their daily lives, even if they are in the West Bank. All those rights groups you selectively quote agree with me on that.

Yet you argued that Israel was in the right when the IDF went and shot random Palestinians in Jenin last week. You argued that was applying the law there.
You also argued that when Israel killed 200 and injured 14,000 civilians during the Great March of Return that none were civilians.

You clearly have no right to call out anyone else about poor definitions of civilians.

I'll stick to the findings of Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, the UN and ICC on who is acting as a civilian or militant.
You won't, that's the difference between us.
I respect human rights and the rule of law.
You support apartheid and an illegal occupation.

 

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But you support shooting Palestinian civilians crossing the border into Israel without Israels permission but call Palestinians shooting Israeli civilians who entered the Occupied Territories without Palestinian permission terrorists.

WTF are you even talking about?

 

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You are the one arguing that equal rights in Israel would lead to genocide ...

Show me one post where I argue that.

Unlike you, I argue for a negotiated peace agreed to by both sides and unlike you, I don't support people who think violence is a solution.



Sadly in your desperate need to blame Israel for everything, you think supporting the Palestinians means Israel unilaterally imposing a peace deal on them

 

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Yet you argued that Israel was in the right when the IDF went and shot random Palestinians in Jenin last week
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I'll stick to the findings of Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, the UN and ICC on who is acting as a civilian or militant.

Yes, Israel was right to shoot BACK at Palestinian gunmen who shot at them. And considering Hamas, PIJ, and Fatah claimed 10 of the 11 as their fighters, they weren't random civilians like the Jews you keep trying to justify attacks on (the 11th died from a hear attack when Israel deployed tear gas).

Amnesty, HRW, and B'Tselem would all agree that shooting at an arrest team makes you a valid target. They also all agree that simply being Jewish in the West Bank does not, no matter how much you try and pretend.


A bunch of Jews butchered coming from prayers and you stay silent. Jews shot while driving down the highway and you stay silent. Jews shot at on a Tel Aviv patio and you stay silent. You main complaints are when Israel dares to try and stop terrorists.

 

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Show me one post where I argue that.

Unlike you, I argue for a negotiated peace agreed to by both sides and unlike you, I don't support people who think violence is a solution.

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Sadly in your desperate need to blame Israel for everything, you think supporting the Palestinians means Israel unilaterally imposing a peace deal on them

Basketcase, do me a favour and list all the options for ending the occupation and apartheid that you think are acceptable.

 

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Yes, Israel was right to shoot BACK at Palestinian gunmen who shot at them. And considering Hamas, PIJ, and Fatah claimed 10 of the 11 as their fighters, they weren't random civilians like the Jews you keep trying to justify attacks on (the 11th died from a hear attack when Israel deployed tear gas).

Amnesty, HRW, and B'Tselem would all agree that shooting at an arrest team makes you a valid target. They also all agree that simply being Jewish in the West Bank does not, no matter how much you try and pretend.


A bunch of Jews butchered coming from prayers and you stay silent. Jews shot while driving down the highway and you stay silent. Jews shot at on a Tel Aviv patio and you stay silent. You main complaints are when Israel dares to try and stop terrorists.

Amnesty.
I'll listen to them and not the views of a racist like yourself.

Shooting the locals to defend your apartheid rule is not a moral position, basketcase.
Yes, they are using violence to resist a violent apartheid rule.
That is their right, if you want to stop it you need to support a peaceful resolution like I do through BDS.
End the occupation or end apartheid.

Israel/OPT: Jenin bloodshed is a horrifying reminder of the cost of impunity
Responding to the killing of at least nine Palestinians by Israeli forces during a military raid on Jenin refugee camp this morning, Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Research and Advocacy Director at Amnesty International, said:

“In the space of just a few hours this morning, Israeli forces killed at least nine people and injured 20 more; blocked ambulances from accessing the wounded; and fired tear gas at a hospital, reportedly causing suffocation injuries to sick children. Medics in Jenin say a child is one of those being treated for gunshot wounds, and Palestinian authorities have confirmed that a 61-year-old woman was among those shot dead.

For almost a year, Jenin refugee camp has been at the centre of Israel’s escalating military crackdown.
Philip Luther, Middle East and North Africa Research and Advocacy Director

“For almost a year, Jenin refugee camp has been at the centre of Israel’s escalating military crackdown. Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh was shot dead in the camp last May, and its residents continue to be subjected to relentless military raids which amount to collective punishment.

“Meanwhile, Israel continues to enjoy total impunity for the system of apartheid it imposes on Palestinians – a system which is partly maintained through violations like unlawful killings. While Palestinian deaths mount, the international response to Israel’s violations consists of little more than timid condemnation at best, and unconditional support at worst.

“Today’s bloodshed is a reminder of the cost of this shameful inaction – until there is accountability, deadly attacks against Palestinians across the Occupied Palestinian Territories will continue.”

And here is the UN:
“We deplore the Israeli army’s latest violent attack against the Jenin Refugee Camp, and the killing and wounding of Palestinians on Thursday. It shows a dangerous trajectory of violence in the occupied West Bank, continuing the alarming upward trend from 2022,” the experts said.

“None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,” they said.

 

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Amnesty.
I'll listen to them and not the views of a racist like yourself.
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Except when you say that Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets. In that case, you instead say attacks on random Jews is somehow self defence.

But sure, impunity does describe your view that Palestinians should be allowed to attack random Jews and attack the teams trying to arrest them for their attacks. Again, except for the guy who dies of a heart attack, all of the dead in that incident (and most in similar ones) have been fighters claimed by Palestinian factions to have been involved in the violence.

Amazing how you keep trying to claim some moral high ground while saying Jewish civilians are valid targets but Palestinian gunmen aren't.

 

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Except when you say that Jews being in the West Bank makes them valid targets.

Bullshit, basketcase.
I haven't ever said that.
You clearly have no real arguments left since all you can do is create straw men.

Your racism shows in your total refusal to accept that Palestinians might have the same right to self defence you claim for Israeli Jews.
That's apartheid, very clear apartheid.

Which you support here repeatedly.
As you support an illegal occupation, a racist colonial settler movement and its resulting apartheid rule.

“None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,” they said.

 

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Bullshit, basketcase.
I haven't ever said that.
You clearly have no real arg...

Except all the times you have.

And yes, you have repeatedly described attacks on Jews in the West Bank (and Gaza rockets) as self defence (and compulsively tried to ignore any terror attacks on Jews on the Israeli side of the Green Line.

At the same time, you try to condemn Israel for trying to arrest terror suspects and for daring to shoot back when militant groups fire at them.



p.s. yes, groups like Hamas, PFLP, and PIJ are very clear that their issue isn't Israel occupying the West Bank but rather the presence of Jews in 'their' land. The terrorism started long before 1967 (and long before 1949). Of course you agree with them so you'll never even hint at criticizing their goals of ethnic cleansing.

 

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Except all the times you have.

You're lying and you know it.
I've never said those things and you know there are no quotes.

Meanwhile, the IDF forces raiding Jenin and other refugee camps have been identified as what they are.
Death squads.

Israeli death squad kills four in Jenin

You back Death Squads.

West Bank: Four Palestinians killed in Israeli raid on Jenin

Sixteen-year-old Omar Muhammad Awadin was amongst those killed in a raid on West Bank city

www.middleeasteye.net

No wonder.

Democrats sympathize more with Palestinians than Israelis: poll

Gallup finds attitudes shifting amid far-right takeover and "the high number of Palestinians killed" last year.

www.salon.com

 

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You're lying and you know it.
I've never said those things and you know there are no quotes.

Meanwhile, the IDF forces raiding Jenin and other refugee camps have been identified as what they are.
Death squads.

Israeli death squad kills four in Jenin

You back Death Squads.

West Bank: Four Palestinians killed in Israeli raid on Jenin

Sixteen-year-old Omar Muhammad Awadin was amongst those killed in a raid on West Bank city

www.middleeasteye.net

No wonder.

Democrats sympathize more with Palestinians than Israelis: poll

Gallup finds attitudes shifting amid far-right takeover and "the high number of Palestinians killed" last year.

www.salon.com

Speaking of death squads

Palestinians enraged after Israeli forces shoot prone militant in head in Jenin

Nidal Hazem among three men and a boy killed in ‘intelligence-based counter-terrorism activity’

www.theguardian.com

 

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WTF are you even talking about?

Keep in mind, you are taking a large leap of faith in assuming that Gilligan understands the concept of logic.

I read his post 3 or 4 times, realized it was never going to make sense, and then just laughed.

 

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“None of this violence would occur if Israel were to end its illegal, half-century old occupation immediately and unconditionally as required by international law,” they said.

Once again you attempt to justify the killing of Israeli civilians.