International Holocaust Remembrance Day

[basketcase]

I didn't mention civilians, ...

Yet you specifically referred to two civilians being killed while simply driving down the road. Back to you arguing that Amnesty et al are wrong.


It's funny to watch you run away from every discussion point, instead simply relying on ridiculous emotional language to justify your obsessive hatred of Jews being in the Middle East.

 

[basketcase]

I'm sure basketcase will say that doesn't count as terrorism because:
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It isn't.

If accurate, you might argue it being a war crime. Quite likely it could be described as misidentification by the troops who were previously under fire.

And you wanting to focus on the story while ignoring the large scale armed violence conducted by designated terrorist entities that was going on at the time just like Tucker did with Jan. 6.

Also worth noting is your insistence that armed action is an appropriate response to Israel trying to arrest suspects.


I also notice your care about civilians doesn't extend to Jewish civilians. if it did, you would have condemned Gilligan's supporting killing of Jews for being in the West Bank.

 

[Klatuu]

Yet you specifically referred to two civilians being killed while simply driving down the road. Back to you arguing that Amnesty et al are wrong.


It's funny to watch you run away from every discussion point, instead simply relying on ridiculous emotional language to justify your obsessive hatred of Jews being in the Middle East.

Let’s get this straight…Palestinians who are in a military school and who illegally enter Israel and steal land from Jews would be considered civilians?

 

[Frankfooter]

.... to justify your obsessive hatred of Jews being in the Middle East.

Being against apartheid is not being against Jews anywhere, basketcase.
Criticizing apartheid is not antisemitic.

Or are you trying to argue that you think Israel can't exist without apartheid?

 

[Frankfooter]

It isn't.

If accurate, you might argue it being a war crime. Quite likely it could be described as misidentification by the troops who were previously under fire.

Of course you defend targeting civilians and then turn around and try to say I'm the one defending targeting civilians.
Its your modus operandi here.

You are still claiming to support the two state solution yet also arguing that Palestinians living in occupied Palestine don't have the right to self defence. That instead only Jewish Israelis have the right to self defence and the right to rule over Palestinians.
All you are supporting here is a violent colonization and apartheid rule of Palestine.

You need to understand that Palestinians are humans.
Humans that deserve basic human rights.

Can I buy you tickets to go see this show as a start to getting past your racism?

Rubble - Theatre Passe Muraille

A play by Dr.Suvendrini Lena, Rubble takes place in Gaza. In a theatre, broken but not abandoned, hear the voice of late Palestinian National Poet Mahmoud Darwish*, and examine the urgent question: what is the meaning of poetry in the midst of war? What is our responsibility as we read, write...

www.passemuraille.ca

And if you won't leave your house, can you at least watch this on Netflix?

 

[basketcase]

Let’s get this straight…Palestinians who are in a military school and who illegally enter Israel and steal land from Jews would be considered civilians?

Franky loves Amnesty and they quite clearly say that simply living in occupied territory doesn't make one a military target.

He won't criticize you for what you say though because he agrees with you that being a Jew in the West Bank makes you a legitimate target.

 

[basketcase]

Being against apartheid is not being against Jews anywhere, basketcase.
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Yet your continual attempt to justify the murder of Jewish civilians, constant claims that Israel is illegitimate (while living in an outright colonial state), and refusal to hold any Palestinian accountable for their actions makes it clear that your only interest is in getting rid of Jews.

 

[basketcase]

Of course you defend targeting civilians and then turn around and try to say I'm the one defending targeting civilians.
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Yes, you defend targeting civilians simply because you think Jews have no right to be there. Very KKK of you.

And no matter how you want to portray it, when terror groups claim almost all of the dead people from Israeli arrest raids, I'll accept their statements that they aren't innocent civilians.

You are still claiming to support the two state solution yet also arguing that Palestinians living in occupied Palestine don't have the right to self defence

Why do you keep claiming that attacks on Jewish civilians are self defence?

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet your continual attempt to justify the murder of Jewish civilians, constant claims that Israel is illegitimate (while living in an outright colonial state), and refusal to hold any Palestinian accountable for their actions makes it clear that your only interest is in getting rid of Jews.

You keep arguing that without apartheid Israel can't exist and that my support of international law somehow is akin to targeting civilians.
You also refuse to accept human rights reports, accept that all settlements are illegal, the occupation is illegal and you back apartheid.

What it sounds like is that you don't think Israel can exist without apartheid.
You should learn from South Africa, they got past it so why can't Israel?

Israel's apartheid against Palestinians

Palestinians are systematically subjected to home demolitions and forced evictions, and live in constant fear of losing their homes. For more than 73 years, Israel has been forcibly displacing entire Palestinian communities. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians’ homes have been demolished...

www.amnesty.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Apartheid

The Israeli regime enacts in all the territory it controls (Israeli sovereign territory, East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip) an apartheid regime. One organizing principle lies at the base of a wide array of Israeli policies: advancing and perpetuating the supremacy of one group –...

www.btselem.org

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian Territory is ‘apartheid’: UN rights expert

Calling on the international community to accept and adopt the recent findings in his report, an independent human rights expert said on Friday that “apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territory”.

news.un.org

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, you defend targeting civilians simply because you think Jews have no right to be there. Very KKK of you.

I don't support targeting civilians, basketcase, that's your specialty.
And if you're going to talk KKK and supremacy, you need to call yourself out for supporting the Jewish apartheid supremacy of Ben Gvir and the Israeli government.

Apartheid is like the KKK on steroids, with snipers, drones, missiles and bombs.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1634139120619454465

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1632077003288633345

 

[basketcase]

You keep arguing that without apartheid Israel can't exist a...

Where the fuck do you come up with your claims from? Do you spend all night having pretend practice arguments with yourself?


I guess it's as sensible a claim as when you argue Palestinian gunmen shooting at passing cars is somehow self defence.

 

[basketcase]

I don't support targeting civilians, basketcase, that's your specialty.
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Of course your definition of civilian doesn't include any Jew living in a place Palestinians don't want them (despite what your Amnesty and B'Tselem say).

Hell, you desperately try to ignore attacks on Jewish civilians on the Israeli side of the Green line like the Hamas gunmen who shot up a Tel Aviv patio last week.

It is not "self defence" for Palestinians to shoot at random Jews, living their daily lives, even if they are in the West Bank. All those rights groups you selectively quote agree with me on that.

 

[Klatuu]

Of course your definition of civilian doesn't include any Jew living in a place Palestinians don't want them (despite what your Amnesty and B'Tselem say).

Hell, you desperately try to ignore attacks on Jewish civilians on the Israeli side of the Green line like the Hamas gunmen who shot up a Tel Aviv patio last week.

It is not "self defence" for Palestinians to shoot at random Jews, living their daily lives, even if they are in the West Bank. All those rights groups you selectively quote agree with me on that.

But you support shooting Palestinian civilians crossing the border into Israel without Israels permission but call Palestinians shooting Israeli civilians who entered the Occupied Territories without Palestinian permission terrorists.

 

[jcpro]

The one thing that made an incredible impression on me during one of the trips to Auschwitz was the presence of the Israeli Jews with the Israeli flags. Other than that, it's a horror show.

 

[Frankfooter]

Where the fuck do you come up with your claims from? Do you spend all night having pretend practice arguments with yourself?


I guess it's as sensible a claim as when you argue Palestinian gunmen shooting at passing cars is somehow self defence.

You are the one arguing that equal rights in Israel would lead to genocide and that only apartheid can keep the Jewish population safe.
BDS succeeding and apartheid ending is your nightmare.

I think both Palestinians and Jews can get over the occupation and apartheid, but you need to end the occupation or apartheid first.
You keep arguing for more colonization and more violence.

 

[Frankfooter]

Of course your definition of civilian doesn't include any Jew living in a place Palestinians don't want them (despite what your Amnesty and B'Tselem say).

Hell, you desperately try to ignore attacks on Jewish civilians on the Israeli side of the Green line like the Hamas gunmen who shot up a Tel Aviv patio last week.

It is not "self defence" for Palestinians to shoot at random Jews, living their daily lives, even if they are in the West Bank. All those rights groups you selectively quote agree with me on that.

Yet you argued that Israel was in the right when the IDF went and shot random Palestinians in Jenin last week. You argued that was applying the law there.
You also argued that when Israel killed 200 and injured 14,000 civilians during the Great March of Return that none were civilians.

You clearly have no right to call out anyone else about poor definitions of civilians.

I'll stick to the findings of Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, the UN and ICC on who is acting as a civilian or militant.
You won't, that's the difference between us.
I respect human rights and the rule of law.
You support apartheid and an illegal occupation.

 

[basketcase]

But you support shooting Palestinian civilians crossing the border into Israel without Israels permission but call Palestinians shooting Israeli civilians who entered the Occupied Territories without Palestinian permission terrorists.

WTF are you even talking about?

 

[basketcase]

You are the one arguing that equal rights in Israel would lead to genocide ...

Show me one post where I argue that.

Unlike you, I argue for a negotiated peace agreed to by both sides and unlike you, I don't support people who think violence is a solution.



Sadly in your desperate need to blame Israel for everything, you think supporting the Palestinians means Israel unilaterally imposing a peace deal on them

 

[basketcase]

Yet you argued that Israel was in the right when the IDF went and shot random Palestinians in Jenin last week
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I'll stick to the findings of Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, the UN and ICC on who is acting as a civilian or militant.

Yes, Israel was right to shoot BACK at Palestinian gunmen who shot at them. And considering Hamas, PIJ, and Fatah claimed 10 of the 11 as their fighters, they weren't random civilians like the Jews you keep trying to justify attacks on (the 11th died from a hear attack when Israel deployed tear gas).

Amnesty, HRW, and B'Tselem would all agree that shooting at an arrest team makes you a valid target. They also all agree that simply being Jewish in the West Bank does not, no matter how much you try and pretend.


A bunch of Jews butchered coming from prayers and you stay silent. Jews shot while driving down the highway and you stay silent. Jews shot at on a Tel Aviv patio and you stay silent. You main complaints are when Israel dares to try and stop terrorists.

 

[Frankfooter]

Show me one post where I argue that.

Unlike you, I argue for a negotiated peace agreed to by both sides and unlike you, I don't support people who think violence is a solution.

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Sadly in your desperate need to blame Israel for everything, you think supporting the Palestinians means Israel unilaterally imposing a peace deal on them

Basketcase, do me a favour and list all the options for ending the occupation and apartheid that you think are acceptable.