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basketcase

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Ah, the woman who believes the Jewish lobby subjugated America. I laugh when you claim to have morals while quoting old-school anti-semites.

p.s. Don't forget that even the Palestinian group you've repeatedly quoted say at least half the dead were members of armed groups (what Canada calls terrorist entities).
 

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More support for terrorism. All the rights groups that Franky claims to support say that being a Jew in the West Bank does not change civillan status.
Yup, they are civilians who are criminals, violating international law, supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and enforcing an apartheid regime on Palestinians. Civilians who are almost always armed, who work in concert with the occupation army and frequently operate as illegal combatants
 

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And more of you supporting terror. You just don't like the idea that Israel has developed fairly effective means to defend their cities from indiscriminate Palestinian rockets (another thing that Franky's rights groups condemn).

And in this case, you can't even pretend it's about settlers in the West Bank. Just plain old Jew hatred.
You can’t even follow the story, grandpa.
 

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More support for terrorism. All the rights groups that Franky claims to support say that being a Jew in the West Bank does not change civillan status.
What changes their civilian status is the near constant attacks you admit are terrorism, aided by the government and army.
As you note, terrorists are civilians.
The question becomes how can Palestinians identify which squatters are the terrorists and which are civilians, since almost all of them are armed.

As the UN notes:
“Disturbing evidence of Israeli forces frequently facilitating, supporting and participating in settler attacks, makes it difficult to discern between Israeli settler and State violence,” said the experts. “The impunity of one is reinforced by the impunity of the other.”
 

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Ah, the woman who believes the Jewish lobby subjugated America. I laugh when you claim to have morals while quoting old-school anti-semites.

p.s. Don't forget that even the Palestinian group you've repeatedly quoted say at least half the dead were members of armed groups (what Canada calls terrorist entities).
Ah, repeating the accusations from the Israeli disinformation agency, NGO Monitor.
Nothing like screaming 'antisemite' at the top of your lungs to try to stop answering about why you support apartheid, targeting civilians, ethnic cleansing and an illegal occupation.
 
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What changes their civilian status is the near constant attacks you admit are terrorism,...
Oh wait. Are you willing to apply that same standard to Palestinians? Of course not. Your racist double standard says Jews driving down the road are valid targets because other Jews may have done something bad while claiming that Israel shouldn't shoot back when Palestinian gunmen fire at them.

It's amazing how often you quote rights groups while completely ignoring what they say.


And why are you so afraid to actually condemn the 100+ Hamas/PIJ rockets?
 

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Ah, repeating the accusations from the Israeli disinformation agency, NGO Monitor.
Nothing like screaming 'antisemite' at the top of your lungs to try to stop answering about why you support apartheid, targeting civilians, ethnic cleansing and an illegal occupation.
Wow your excuses are dumb. She's even admitted that is what she said.

This is the original source. You've even quoted that source on occasion.

“America and Europe, one of them subjugated by the Jewish lobby, and the other by the sense of guilt about the Holocaust, remain on the sidelines and continue to condemn the oppressed — the Palestinians — who defend themselves with the only means they have (deranged missiles), instead of making Israel face its international law responsibilities,” Albanese wrote.

And like you, she sees nothing anti-semitic about claiming Jews have subjugated America and thinks indiscriminate rocket fire from Gaza is justified.


Do you not see how much of a psychological issue you have when you condemn right-wing sources for claiming Jews control the US while defending anti-Israel sources who say the exact same thing?
 

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Except that international law says otherwise, no matter how much you celebrate them being shot.
International law says if they are militants they are legit targets.
Like the terrorist settlers you have discussed.
As the UN notes:
“Disturbing evidence of Israeli forces frequently facilitating, supporting and participating in settler attacks, makes it difficult to discern between Israeli settler and State violence,” said the experts. “The impunity of one is reinforced by the impunity of the other.”
 

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Wow your excuses are dumb. She's even admitted that is what she said.

This is the original source. You've even quoted that source on occasion.

“America and Europe, one of them subjugated by the Jewish lobby, and the other by the sense of guilt about the Holocaust, remain on the sidelines and continue to condemn the oppressed — the Palestinians — who defend themselves with the only means they have (deranged missiles), instead of making Israel face its international law responsibilities,” Albanese wrote.

And like you, she sees nothing anti-semitic about claiming Jews have subjugated America and thinks indiscriminate rocket fire from Gaza is justified.


Do you not see how much of a psychological issue you have when you condemn right-wing sources for claiming Jews control the US while defending anti-Israel sources who say the exact same thing?
Its the standard Israeli 'cry antisemite' tactic.
You use, jc uses it, shack uses it, NGO monitor only uses it and its been the same story for the last three rapporteurs.

You support apartheid, you are an actual racist supporting a violent, racist, colonial movement.
You have no business accusing anyone else of racism.

 

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Oh wait. Are you willing to apply that same standard to Palestinians? Of course not. Your racist double standard says Jews driving down the road are valid targets because other Jews may have done something bad while claiming that Israel shouldn't shoot back when Palestinian gunmen fire at them.

It's amazing how often you quote rights groups while completely ignoring what they say.


And why are you so afraid to actually condemn the 100+ Hamas/PIJ rockets?
The one big difference?

Palestinians have an actual right to self defence under an illegal occupation.
Israelis do not have that same right outside their borders.

“We are very troubled by the failure of Israel, the occupying power, to exercise its substantial obligations under the Fourth Geneva Convention, including Article 27, to protect the population under occupation.”

In point of fact, as the military occupiers they are bound by the Geneva Conventions to care for all they occupy.
Not use death squads instead of the law.

This is an aggression and a war crime.

This is an aggression and a war crime.
 

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The truth about Khadar Adnan:

“Adnan was a political prisoner by any definition. No one ever charged him with terrorism and when he was finally indicted for something (which he was in jail for when he died) it was for relatively small offenses – membership in an illegal organization and incitement, which included visiting the homes of mourners and encouraging hunger strikes. For that, he was kept in prison until the end of his trial.

If that is not a political arrest, then what is?

Alexei Navalny was sent into administrative detention by a despotic Russian regime 10 times while Adnan was put into administrative detention 12 times by democratic Israel. Both men were regime opponents. If he were Russian, Burmese, Irish or Iranian, Adnan would have been regarded as an honored freedom fighter, even by Israelis. As a Palestinian, he was regarded as a terrorist.”

 

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Wow your excuses are dumb. She's even admitted that is what she said.
Turns out that the two Israeli organizations pushing the attack on her credibility are very suspect.
One is lead by a guy who pushed for more torture in Iraq,

The International Legal Forum’s board includes Michael Mukasey, a former US attorney general during the Bush era who in 2014 defended that administration’s waterboarding torture tactics during the US’s so-called “war on terror”, CNN reported then.

And the other is a neo con wacko.
Monitor’s board includes Elliot Abrams, the neoconservative former foreign policy adviser for US Presidents Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, and Donald Trump, who has been described as “a passionate advocate of Israel”.


Calling critics of Israel antisemites is they only way you can avoid discussing apartheid and the ongoing ethnic cleansing.
 
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Turns out that the two Israeli organizations pushing the attack on her credibility are very suspect.
One is lead by a guy who pushed for more torture in Iraq,

The International Legal Forum’s board includes Michael Mukasey, a former US attorney general during the Bush era who in 2014 defended that administration’s waterboarding torture tactics during the US’s so-called “war on terror”, CNN reported then.

And the other is a neo con wacko.
Monitor’s board includes Elliot Abrams, the neoconservative former foreign policy adviser for US Presidents Ronald Reagan, George W Bush, and Donald Trump, who has been described as “a passionate advocate of Israel”.


Calling critics of Israel antisemites is they only way you can avoid discussing apartheid and the ongoing ethnic cleansing.
There is a growing fight back against the smears by anti Palestinian bigots. Here the US Committee for Palestinian Rights stood up to the odious Jewish National Fund and won. The Jewish National Fund has an appalling history of anti Palestinian bigotry, practicing both apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

 
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There is a growing fight back against the smears by anti Palestinian bigots. Here the US Committee for Palestinian Rights stood up to the odious Jewish National Fund and won. The Jewish National Fund has an appalling history of anti Palestinian bigotry, practicing both apartheid and ethnic cleansing.

Canadaman thinks saying this is antisemitic, though you can't even pretend to support the two state solution unless you support a 'free palestine'.

 
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Khader Adnan: Leader of Islamic jihad or innocent baker?




Khader inciting terrorism





The Palestinian Authority has laughably demanded an investigation into Adnan’s death, even though it is clear he pretty much killed himself by refusing to eat and refusing to be examined and receive medical treatment from Israeli Prison Service medical authorities or other civilian authorities.

 

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The Palestinian Authority has laughably demanded an investigation into Adnan’s death, even though it is clear he pretty much killed himself by refusing to eat and refusing to be examined and receive medical treatment from Israeli Prison Service medical authorities or other civilian authorities.
This is what the Israeli paper Haaretz had to say:

Khader Adnan was a political activist in Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The Shin Bet security service arrested him for the first time nearly 20 years ago, and since then it arrested him and threw him into prison 12 times, nearly always without charges or trial. He undertook his first hunger strike in an Israeli prison in 2000, repeating it six times over the years until his death this week. Nine years of his life were stolen from him in the effort to break his spirit, although he was never prosecuted for serious security offenses.

In other words, Adnan was a political prisoner, an opponent of the occupation, like more than 1,000 Palestinians currently held in Israeli prisons without charges.

This alarming figure arouses no interest in Israel, just like Adnan’s hunger strike, which ended in his death after 86 days. While Israel is fighting for its democracy, with many people going out to demonstrate enthusiastically and impressively against the dangers that threaten it, one of the most undemocratic practices to take place here is ignored almost completely: so-called administrative detention, incarceration without trial or charges. No democracy in the world has such a thing. Israel should not have such a thing.


Israeli death squads killed 2 more, that's 5 this week alone.

Are you in favour or against death squads?
 

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This is what the Israeli paper Haaretz had to say:
Khader Adnan was a political activist in Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The Shin Bet security service arrested him for the first time nearly 20 years ago, and since then it arrested him and threw him into prison 12 times, nearly always without charges or trial. He undertook his first hunger strike in an Israeli prison in 2000, repeating it six times over the years until his death this week. Nine years of his life were stolen from him in the effort to break his spirit, although he was never prosecuted for serious security offenses.
In other words, Adnan was a political prisoner, an opponent of the occupation, like more than 1,000 Palestinians currently held in Israeli prisons without charges.
This alarming figure arouses no interest in Israel, just like Adnan’s hunger strike, which ended in his death after 86 days. While Israel is fighting for its democracy, with many people going out to demonstrate enthusiastically and impressively against the dangers that threaten it, one of the most undemocratic practices to take place here is ignored almost completely: so-called administrative detention, incarceration without trial or charges. No democracy in the world has such a thing. Israel should not have such a thing.


Israeli death squads killed 2 more, that's 5 this week alone.

Are you in favour or against death squads?

franky again defending terrorists that were killed in the westbank and as usual post from hamas linked middleeastmonitor and terrorist aljazeera network who try to pain them as victims

and trying his gaslighting tactics against me





from the Jerusalem post

The IDF killed two terrorists in a raid in the West Bank town of Tul Karm on Saturday morning, the IDF Spokesperson's Unit announced.

The terrorists were identified as 22-year-olds Samar Salah al-Shafei and Hamza Jamil Haroush who had carried out the shooting terror attack in Avnei Hefetz on Tuesday. The IDF said the two terrorists were planning further attacks.

The two were affiliated with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad who, along with Hamas, shot more than 30 rockets toward Israel earlier this week.


IDF kills two terrorists in West Bank raid - report - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
 

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franky again defending terrorists that were killed in the westbank and as usual post from hamas linked middleeastmonitor and terrorist aljazeera network who try to pain them as victims

and trying his gaslighting tactics against me





from the Jerusalem post

The IDF killed two terrorists in a raid in the West Bank town of Tul Karm on Saturday morning, the IDF Spokesperson's Unit announced.

The terrorists were identified as 22-year-olds Samar Salah al-Shafei and Hamza Jamil Haroush who had carried out the shooting terror attack in Avnei Hefetz on Tuesday. The IDF said the two terrorists were planning further attacks.

The two were affiliated with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad who, along with Hamas, shot more than 30 rockets toward Israel earlier this week.


IDF kills two terrorists in West Bank raid - report - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
You support death squads. Appalling Anti Palestinian bigotry.
 
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