Israel at war

[basketcase]

Because they did in the past and it didn't change anything.
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1) Hamas has never recognize Israel and they are the government of Gaza.
2) The PA sort of recognized Israel but they refused to recognize the Jewish character of Israel. Of course you see the idea of Israel being called a Jewish homeland is racist while you endorse both the PA and Hamas view Palestine as an Islamic state and the Palestinian homeland.

 

[basketcase]

These doctors held a press conference after the attack where they said there were two warning shells fired and they told the IDF they couldn't leave.
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Meanwhile reality undermines the propaganda.

IDF presents evidence misfired Gazan rocket caused hospital blast, slams Hamas ‘lies’

Military airs intercepted call in which Hamas members discuss failed Islamic Jihad launch that landed in Al-Ahli parking lot, says lack of crater proves not caused by IDF ordnance

www.timesofisrael.com

Beyond the radar and video images showing the failed rocket dropping to the ground right before the blast, the Hamas communications saying that it was a PIJ rocket telling is the only visible damage was the fire in the parking lot.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714535687070916987

It sure as hell looks like any deaths were the result of fire, there is no crater, and no apparent bomb damage to the hospital buildings.. Either Israeli is dropping fire barrels like Russia and Syria did or the fire was the result of unburnt fuel from a failed rocket.


p.s. The US sure seems to accept Israeli evidence (though I'm sure you'll claim it's just Jews controlling the US)

 

[basketcase]

You sound like Hamas.

So you worship rich now?

 

[basketcase]

Israeli supremacy at its finest. We will shit on you and if you try to stop us we will destroy you.
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Anti-Israel racism at it's finest. Hamas is allowed to butcher well over a thousand Palestinians but Israel isn't allowed to try and fight back.

 

[basketcase]

But you did expect Hamas to sit by after 233 settler terrorist attacks this year?

Do you think it's moral for Hamas to launch an attack years in the making targeting civilians for death and kidnapping because Palestinian and Jewish terrorists keep attacking each other and surrounding civilians?

We all know the reason for the attack is exactly what Hamas has always said it is, they want to get rid of the Jewish presence.

 

[basketcase]

These guys are too brainwashed and simple to understand that.
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At least you understand your own shortcomings.

 

[Butler1000]

Of course, par for negotiating with Israel.
In other words, strip yourself down to zero leverage with someone already squeezing your throat, all the military capability in the world,
and the U.S. behind them.
Do as they say, how they say, then they'll think about it.
Not one sided at all is it.

So what you just said here is the attack and taking of hostages is legitimate, as is holding them for leverage.

 

[dirtyharry555]

So what you just said here is the attack and taking of hostages is legitimate, as is holding them for leverage.

How would you negotiate with the most powerful military in the world?

 

[Frankfooter]

All of which was to be expected when Hamas instigated this war on Oct. 7. You knew right away that things like this would happen, didn't you?

Everyone knew it would happen again Shack.
Blinken said after the Israeli slaughter in 2021 that the cycle will continue unless there are moves to peace.
Netanyahu heard that and did nothing.

That's why 80% of Israeli Jews blame Netanyahu.

You'd have to be an idiot to think that a 54 year apartheid occupation would not continue to find resistance with no movement towards peace.

 

[Frankfooter]

Channel 4 takes apart the IDF claims.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714777897909527021

 

[mellowjello]

So what you just said here is the attack and taking of hostages is legitimate, as is holding them for leverage.

Why don't we start from the beginning, is Israel's policy in Gaza and the West Bank legitimate?
Is stealing land and military occupation legitimate?

 

[xmontrealer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714731258247606752

JUST IN: The United States Capitol has been taken over inside and outside by pro-Palestine protesters as Rep. Rashida Tlaib spoke with a crowd nearby. Are we only allowed to call people like this insurrections when they are Donald Trump supporters? Police are now making arrests inside the Capitol. Sad day for democracy.

Among the pro-Palestinian protesters are ultra-orthodox anti-Zionist Jews who believe that Jews living in Israel is delaying the arrival of their Messiah. I see them on TikTok all the time protesting against Zionism.

Religion and tribalism has always been, and will always be, the scourge of the Earth...

 

[Frankfooter]

Among the pro-Palestinian protesters are ultra-orthodox anti-Zionist Jews who believe that Jews living in Israel is delaying the arrival of their Messiah. I see them on TikTok all the time protesting against Zionism.

Religion and tribalism has always been, and will always be, the scourge of the Earth...

And left wing Jews as well.
Toronto has a long history with left wing Jews, from the Christie Pit riot on.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714655284935741920

 

[mellowjello]

I doubt it. They will be quick to remind any nation chastising it what started this current round of insanity. I find it interesting that people are already forgetting what triggered this - 1500 Jews killed in every unimaginable way, with hundreds kidnapped. Foreign nationals from over 20 countries affected.

What the hell did you expect from Israel? The UN is hopelessly anti-Israel anyways, so it's not like Israel had that as an option to take this fight to.

As an aside, this all fkn sucks.

What do you mean what do I expect from Israel?
What do you expect from the Palestinians?
Are you willfully ignoring the way they've been treated, or do you just not care? You start at the October 7 attack as If it came out of nowhere. It's easy to dismiss everything as Jew hating, and everyone hates Israel, you don't have to honestly face the reality or you do but just don't care and it's an easy way to blow everyone off.
I'm at a loss that you cannot understand what they're going through, unless you think they're subhuman. Hitler and his cohorts thought Jews were subhuman, that's why they could ruthlessly do what they did.
Israel sees them as subhuman and that's why they can do what they're doing.

 

[Butler1000]

Why don't we start from the beginning, is Israel's policy in Gaza and the West Bank legitimate?
Is stealing land and military occupation legitimate?

They abandoned the land to allow for a genocidal attack in 1948. So yes it is. Everything since then has been accommodations to try for peaceful coexistence the Muslims don't want due to their medievil religious beliefs.

So long as Islam exists in the majority in its present form as the continuation as a war cult from the 8th century with fascism as its core values along with beliefs that are at its core anti Western, anti freedom, anti women and anti human rights I will easily side with Israel.

Clear enough for you?

 

[shack]

Everyone knew it would happen again Shack.

And you continue to support Hamas' actions on Oct. 7, knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Gazans.

The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of thousands and Gazans as long as some Israelis died.

 

[mellowjello]

They abandoned the land to allow for a genocidal attack in 1948. So yes it is. Everything since then has been accommodations to try for peaceful coexistence the Muslims don't want due to their medievil religious beliefs.

So long as Islam exists in the majority in its present form as the continuation as a war cult from the 8th century with fascism as its core values along with beliefs that are at its core anti Western, anti freedom, anti women and anti human rights I will easily side with Israel.

Clear enough for you?

Very.
Your anti-Muslim hatred is there for everyone to see.
You just legitimized Israel's atrocities and war crimes based on Muslim inferiority.
Pure racist.
Pure Jewish supremacist.
At least you're more honest than most and shedding some light onto what's driving this horror show.

 

[toguy5252]

So we still don't know who actually fired the rocket at the hospital in Gaza.

According to Israel it wasn't them, and according to Biden and US intelligence it was an Islamic Jihad missile that possibly misfired.

As I said before, Its hard to believe Israel would carry out such an attack on a hospital on the eve of Biden's coming to the Middle East in the hopes of some progress towards a diplomatic solution.

It is not that hard to believe that:

1. It was an Islamic Jihad missile intended for Israel that misfired.

or

2. It was an intentional ploy by Islamic Jihad to derail any peace talks that might arise from Biden's visit, and drive other Arab leaders from the talks.

If it was # 1 it was just another tragic consequence of the never-ending hostilities.

If it was # 2, I have to say that calling the Islamic Jihad perpetrators "animals", as somebody once said, is an insult to actual animals.

I was happy to see that Biden managed to get Israel to agree to opening up the supply lines of much needed necessities of life to Gaza. The condition being that none goes to Hamas , and all goes to the general population of Gaza. Not sure how they'll keep the supplies out of the hands of Hamas though. I would have thought that Biden could have forced the release of non-Israeli hostages at least, in return...

While we may not know who fired the rocket we do know that it was not Israel. Whether it was islamic jihad or Hamas they will exploit the deaths for the purpose of fanning the flames of hate against Israel. Frankie and klatuu must be overjoyed.

 

[mellowjello]

And you continue to support Hamas' actions on Oct. 7, knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Gazans.

The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of thousands and Gazans as long as some Israelis died.

And you continue to support Israel's apartheid policies knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Israelis,
and ultimately in the death and suffering of Gazans.
The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of some Israelis as long as thousands of Gazans die.

 

[Frankfooter]

And you continue to support Hamas' actions on Oct. 7, knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Gazans.

The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of thousands and Gazans as long as some Israelis died.

No, shack.
I support BDS, sanctions to end apartheid.
I don't support violence.

But I do support Palestinians right to self defence against an illegal occupation.
That is their choice and its their right. Though of course they, like Israel, don't have the right to target civilians.
You claim to support Palestinians having the same basic human rights but when it comes to practice you say no every time.

You don't support Palestinian rights in the least.
In that way your views are closer to the KKK than Canadians.

This is what I back.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714786837003120668