Israel at war

[mellowjello]

I doubt it. They will be quick to remind any nation chastising it what started this current round of insanity. I find it interesting that people are already forgetting what triggered this - 1500 Jews killed in every unimaginable way, with hundreds kidnapped. Foreign nationals from over 20 countries affected.

What the hell did you expect from Israel? The UN is hopelessly anti-Israel anyways, so it's not like Israel had that as an option to take this fight to.

As an aside, this all fkn sucks.

What do you mean what do I expect from Israel?
What do you expect from the Palestinians?
Are you willfully ignoring the way they've been treated, or do you just not care? You start at the October 7 attack as If it came out of nowhere. It's easy to dismiss everything as Jew hating, and everyone hates Israel, you don't have to honestly face the reality or you do but just don't care and it's an easy way to blow everyone off.
I'm at a loss that you cannot understand what they're going through, unless you think they're subhuman. Hitler and his cohorts thought Jews were subhuman, that's why they could ruthlessly do what they did.
Israel sees them as subhuman and that's why they can do what they're doing.

 

[Butler1000]

Why don't we start from the beginning, is Israel's policy in Gaza and the West Bank legitimate?
Is stealing land and military occupation legitimate?

They abandoned the land to allow for a genocidal attack in 1948. So yes it is. Everything since then has been accommodations to try for peaceful coexistence the Muslims don't want due to their medievil religious beliefs.

So long as Islam exists in the majority in its present form as the continuation as a war cult from the 8th century with fascism as its core values along with beliefs that are at its core anti Western, anti freedom, anti women and anti human rights I will easily side with Israel.

Clear enough for you?

 

[shack]

Everyone knew it would happen again Shack.

And you continue to support Hamas' actions on Oct. 7, knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Gazans.

The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of thousands and Gazans as long as some Israelis died.

 

[mellowjello]

They abandoned the land to allow for a genocidal attack in 1948. So yes it is. Everything since then has been accommodations to try for peaceful coexistence the Muslims don't want due to their medievil religious beliefs.

So long as Islam exists in the majority in its present form as the continuation as a war cult from the 8th century with fascism as its core values along with beliefs that are at its core anti Western, anti freedom, anti women and anti human rights I will easily side with Israel.

Clear enough for you?

Very.
Your anti-Muslim hatred is there for everyone to see.
You just legitimized Israel's atrocities and war crimes based on Muslim inferiority.
Pure racist.
Pure Jewish supremacist.
At least you're more honest than most and shedding some light onto what's driving this horror show.

 

[toguy5252]

So we still don't know who actually fired the rocket at the hospital in Gaza.

According to Israel it wasn't them, and according to Biden and US intelligence it was an Islamic Jihad missile that possibly misfired.

As I said before, Its hard to believe Israel would carry out such an attack on a hospital on the eve of Biden's coming to the Middle East in the hopes of some progress towards a diplomatic solution.

It is not that hard to believe that:

1. It was an Islamic Jihad missile intended for Israel that misfired.

or

2. It was an intentional ploy by Islamic Jihad to derail any peace talks that might arise from Biden's visit, and drive other Arab leaders from the talks.

If it was # 1 it was just another tragic consequence of the never-ending hostilities.

If it was # 2, I have to say that calling the Islamic Jihad perpetrators "animals", as somebody once said, is an insult to actual animals.

I was happy to see that Biden managed to get Israel to agree to opening up the supply lines of much needed necessities of life to Gaza. The condition being that none goes to Hamas , and all goes to the general population of Gaza. Not sure how they'll keep the supplies out of the hands of Hamas though. I would have thought that Biden could have forced the release of non-Israeli hostages at least, in return...

While we may not know who fired the rocket we do know that it was not Israel. Whether it was islamic jihad or Hamas they will exploit the deaths for the purpose of fanning the flames of hate against Israel. Frankie and klatuu must be overjoyed.

 

[mellowjello]

And you continue to support Hamas' actions on Oct. 7, knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Gazans.

The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of thousands and Gazans as long as some Israelis died.

And you continue to support Israel's apartheid policies knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Israelis,
and ultimately in the death and suffering of Gazans.
The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of some Israelis as long as thousands of Gazans die.

 

[Frankfooter]

And you continue to support Hamas' actions on Oct. 7, knowing that the predictable reprisals would result in the death and suffering of Gazans.

The one and only logical conclusion is that you endorse and support the death of thousands and Gazans as long as some Israelis died.

No, shack.
I support BDS, sanctions to end apartheid.
I don't support violence.

But I do support Palestinians right to self defence against an illegal occupation.
That is their choice and its their right. Though of course they, like Israel, don't have the right to target civilians.
You claim to support Palestinians having the same basic human rights but when it comes to practice you say no every time.

You don't support Palestinian rights in the least.
In that way your views are closer to the KKK than Canadians.

This is what I back.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714786837003120668

 

[Frankfooter]

While we may not know who fired the rocket we do know that it was not Israel. Whether it was islamic jihad or Hamas they will exploit the deaths for the purpose of fanning the flames of hate against Israel. Frankie and klatuu must be overjoyed.

No, we don't know that.
The IDF is not trustworthy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714537107320873347

 

[Jubee]

And this dog per its body language was only trying to say hello. Fucking scum of the earth man!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711461334561272244

I can only imagine. I've read some horror stories of all the dogs, mules, horses and cows along the border. Humans are evil.

 

[Butler1000]

Very.
Your anti-Muslim hatred is there for everyone to see.
You just legitimized Israel's atrocities and war crimes based on Muslim inferiority.
Pure racist.
Pure Jewish supremacist.
At least you're more honest than most and shedding some light onto what's driving this horror show.

Based on Muslim aggression and the choice to engage in it. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice. And no, not a Jewish Supremisist. A Liberal Western Values one. Who believes in democracy, capitalism, secularism, human rights, and freedom.

Muslims are just another threat to that. History proves it.

 

[mellowjello]

Based on Muslim aggression and the choice to engage in it. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice. And no, not a Jewish Supremisist. A Liberal Western Values one. Who believes in democracy, capitalism, secularism, human rights, and freedom.

Muslims are just another threat to that. History proves it.

Again, I appreciate your honesty, it says a lot.

 

[toguy5252]

Why don't we start from the beginning, is Israel's policy in Gaza and the West Bank legitimate?
Is stealing land and military occupation legitimate?

Does the answer to that question with way justify the massacre by Hamas?

 

[Frankfooter]

Based on Muslim aggression and the choice to engage in it. Islam isn't a race. Its a choice. And no, not a Jewish Supremisist. A Liberal Western Values one. Who believes in democracy, capitalism, secularism, human rights, and freedom.

Muslims are just another threat to that. History proves it.

Can't hit the definition any clearer than that, can you?

Islamophobia is entrenched in Canada: Senate findings

Muslim women prime targets as reported hate crimes rise - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Frankfooter]

Does the answer to that question with way justify the massacre by Hamas?

The massacre is by Israel.
Always has been.

 

[mellowjello]

Does the answer to that question with way justify the massacre by Hamas?

That's not the point I'm making, but your question just goes to prove, you guys don't give a shit, it's only about you.
Does the answer to your question justify what Israel is doing in Gaza.
You just don't care but you expect everyone to care about you.
Every major human rights organization is condemning Israel for the worst crimes possible.
You just don't care.
Over 80% of Israeli Jews blame their government even with the pain of the massacre of their own people.
What's the matter with you?

 

[Butler1000]

Again, I appreciate your honesty, it says a lot.

No worries. If the Imams got together and did the equivalent of a Reformation, with a modern clean up of the Koran similar to what happened with the bible, renounced jihad, and even some of the other more onerous passages then I can see real engagement happening, along with peaceful coexistence. I have no issue with someone choosing to follow a peaceful belief system that supplies structure and ethical values to their lives.

But the one followed by the Sunni and Shiite majorities aint that. Its an aggressive and war promoting belief that encourages violence as a primary tool for both control and assimilation. And its beliefs are just completely incompatible with a Secular Democracy.

 

[mellowjello]

No worries. If the Imams got together and did the equivalent of a Reformation, with a modern clean up of the Koran similar to what happened with the bible, renounced jihad, and even some of the other more onerous passages then I can see real engagement happening, along with peaceful coexistence. I have no issue with someone choosing to follow a peaceful belief system that supplies structure and ethical values to their lives.

But the one followed by the Sunni and Shiite majorities aint that. Its an aggressive and war promoting belief that encourages violence as a primary tool for both control and assimilation. And its beliefs are just completely incompatible with a Secular Democracy.

I heard you the first and second time.

 

[shack]

I don't support violence.

If that is the case, condemn the terrorist of Oct. 7.

You site Al Aqsa, you site the bombing of the hospital, you site the "occupation" all specific incidents.

Now site the specific incident of Oct. 7 instead of talking in generalities.

You are the one who is afraid to back up their hollow claims. You sound like the repuglicans, the MAGAns, and trump the clown and Ford the grifter, the people who you speak out against. You are no better than they.

 

[basketcase]

That's not the point I'm making, but your question just goes to prove, you guys don't give a shit, it's only about you.
Does the answer to your question justify what Israel is doing in Gaza.
...

Israel is justified in attacking Hamas. In fact they are bound to protect their civilians from terror attacks.

Are they justified in shutting down Gaza to do it? I don't know. With Hamas hiding in the civilian population, I have no idea how Israel's right to self defence is balanced with their duty to try and avoid civilian casualties.

I do know that there hasn't been a single other war in history where one side was expected to supply their enemies during the war.

Over 80% of Israeli Jews blame their government even with the pain of the massacre of their own people.

You're joining in Franky's stupid argument? Israelis blame their government for not being ready for Hamas' atrocities. Of course you don't want to admit to Hamas' culpability.

 

[basketcase]

The massacre is by Israel.
Always has been.

The terror justifications of a true extremist, unable to even admit that Arabs are capable of making their own choices.