Why Warming Oceans Matter

[Frankfooter]

only to have it blocked by climate science peer review

You mean fail peer review.
If its shoddy science it won't pass review.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, these things are often chaotic and non-linear. It's part of what makes it so difficult to model.
It doesn't appear necessary for the AMOC to disappear, though, to have a huge effect. Just slowing down enough is likely to be disruptive to established weather patterns. A complete halt would be much more dramatic. (From what I understand.)

Its already measurably slowing down through melt from Greenland. Shutdown is another level and would likely be fairly abrupt and likely last hundreds to thousands of years before it restarts.
AMOC shutdown was a fringe worry until the last year or two, new models and new temp measurements. But now you've got the big names like Gavin Schmidt and Michael Mann looking into this as real possibility.
Realclimate is a good site for discussion of these kind of ideas.

RealClimate: What is happening in the Atlantic Ocean to the AMOC?

RealClimate: For various reasons I'm motivated to provide an update on my current thinking regarding the slowdown and tipping point of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC). I attended a two-day AMOC session at the IUGG Conference the week before last, there's been interesting...

www.realclimate.org

 

[bazokajoe]

In triple digit temps you can float around for a while then jump out and let your body cool down via evaporation. It is impossible to "swim" in any meaningful sense
of the word. Fifty strokes and you'll be short of breath and gasping.
Good luck on your beach-combing.

LOL. It won't be anywhere near triple digit temps in the fall, or even right now for that matter.

 

[versitile1]

LOL. It won't be anywhere near triple digit temps in the fall, or even right now for that matter.

Sea water temperatures reach 100⁰F in Florida.

Seawater temperatures in Florida at hot tub levels, experts warn

The warming waters threaten marine life and ocean ecosystems including by bleaching coral reefs.

www.bbc.com

 

[bazokajoe]

Sea water temperatures reach 100⁰F in Florida.

Seawater temperatures in Florida at hot tub levels, experts warn

The warming waters threaten marine life and ocean ecosystems including by bleaching coral reefs.

www.bbc.com

Not going to Florida.

 

[SchlongConery]

You mean fail peer review.
If its shoddy science it won't pass review.

Or lack of capitals, punctuation and qualifications.

 

[niniveh]

LOL. It won't be anywhere near triple digit temps in the fall, or even right now for that matter.

Fair enough. Of course Iqaluit could be refreshing in autumn. Gaspe too is getting warm enough to attract Great Whites these days.
Happy swimming.

 

[NotADcotor]

As a little wee kid watching Planet of the Apes, I remember getting my first hard-on seeing Nova. She was such a cutie. I grabbed my stuffed monkey and beat the shit out of it!!!

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Well yeah, the perfect woman, she can't speak and thus can't nag.

Wait, did I say that, hey this isn't where I left my car keys.

 

[NotADcotor]

Gaspe too is getting warm enough to attract Great Whites these days.

Ohmuhgard that's racist towards coloured people.

 

[bazokajoe]

Fair enough. Of course Iqaluit could be refreshing in autumn. Gaspe too is getting warm enough to attract Great Whites these days.
Happy swimming.

Ohhhh. Never thought of going to those places. Maybe next year. Seeing the polar bears would be nice. Been in a shark cage twice. That was awesome.

 

[bazokajoe]

Ohmuhgard that's racist towards coloured people.

LOL. Not if there are black tip reef sharks.

 

[niniveh]

Ohmuhgard that's racist towards coloured people.

Respectfully, I draw your attention to "CP" in NAACP.

 

[K Douglas]

You mean fail peer review.
If its shoddy science it won't pass review.

Replace 'shoddy' with 'unpopular' then you got it right.

 

[Darts]

The Northwest Passage is closer to reality.

 

[Darts]

The point is not that dinosaurs also fart but that the Earth has undergone global warming also in the past. So, what is happening now is not new.

 

[JohnLarue]

If you have followed what Steven Guilbeault have said in public closely
you would have to make an effort not to believe he is expecting net emission
is to be halved and eventually brought down to zero around 2050 for real.
The guy is either a very good actor or a shameless liar.

Steven Guilbeault is an uncompromising / irrational zealot

 

[JohnLarue]

there is no denying that dumping excessive quantities of GHGs into the atmosphere traps solar energy.

CO2 does not trap Infrared radiation
a CO2 molecule can absorb Infrared radiation causing it to wiggle about & then it instantaneously re-emits radiation or loses the energy via the 10 billion collisions it has with other molecules every second

your big mistake is thinking absorption is directly proportional to concentration , rather, like soooo many phenomena in nature, the relationship between absorption and concentration is logarithmic

and the all important 15 micron absorption wavelength is saturated






co2 can double to 800 ppm and absorption wiil only increase at the margin

dumping excessive quantities of GHGs

400 parts per million is not excessive
below 150 ppm photosynthesis stops and all living matter on the planet would die

 

[JohnLarue]

The next hurricane(s) reaching Atlantic shores will likely be more intense and deadlier if triple digit sea temps persist.

Oh boy
you fell for alarmism

record water temperatures in florida not unprecedented (news-press.com)

Something to point out: the Manatee Bay gauge is very close to land, south of Biscayne Bay, and measures the water temperature at a depth of 5 feet.

It's not even the record for Manatee Bay, the observing site where the data came from, said David Zierden, state climatologist at the Florida Climate Center in Tallahassee.

The record for the Manatee Bay site is 102 degrees. It was set on Aug. 15, 2017. Going further back, Zierden said the site recorded a temperature of 100 degrees in 2010.

"Keep in mind that the observations in Manatee bay are in shallow water in a closed off cove with dark seagrass on the bottom," Zierden said. "I would not consider them a "sea surface temperature", as that implies open ocean."

"For Manatee Bay, temperatures will come down with a period of rainy or cloudy conditions and/or stronger winds," Zierden said. "Flushing with the tides will also help. They may continue above normal for an extended period, but not at these extreme values."

this bay does not get a lot of flow through it
its more like a stagnate pond than representative of the ocean where your next hurricane will form


hey kreskin:
still predicting

the next hurricane(s) reaching Atlantic shores will likely be more intense and deadlier

?????????

 

[basketcase]

Not going to Florida.

That solves the problem!

 

[anon1]

We could die out and eventually be replaced by the 4th version of humanoids.