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Valcazar

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I'd say lobbyists who clearly say they are working in the interests of a foreign country, not America, should be labelled as foreign lobbyists, regardless of the citizenship of the people who hand over the money.

Do you really think AIPAC is any different from AZC?
AIPAC was essentially AZC rebuilt to try to avoid FARA.
And they succeeded.
That you don't like them doesn't mean they have run afoul of FARA.
 

southpaw

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basketcase

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I took it into consideration ...
And instantly rejected it simply because you don't like what he says.

There is absolutely zero doubt in the international world as to whether Hamas uses protected sites to shelter their facilities. The last big war had Hamas giving press conferences from Shifa. UNRWA condemned Hamas for keeping weapons and tunnels on there school sites. There is endless video evidence of tunnels on school and hospital grounds, weapon storages in Mosques, and fixed rocket emplacements in day cares. The only question is to whether or to what extent Israel can or should strike these sites.

But you don't like any criticisms of Hamas so you ignore it all.
 

basketcase

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Its in their frigging mandate and description, its hardly a conspiracy theory.
Really, you're getting more and more out to lunch.
Why are you so offended by American Jews lobbying their government but happily support Arab Americans doing the same thing? Oh that's right. You hate Jews being in the middle east and happily push any anti-semitic conspiracy theories that you think help your crusade.
 

basketcase

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You could also say the same of rump.
He's still not in jail so there is no problem with him.
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And how many indictments is AIPAC facing right now?

If a pro-Hamas super-PAC was created, how many seconds would it take you to donate and start pasting their propaganda?
 

Frankfooter

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And instantly rejected it simply because you don't like what he says.

There is absolutely zero doubt in the international world as to whether Hamas uses protected sites to shelter their facilities.
There is debate, and even if there wasn't debate its still a war crime of disproportionate response if they were using human shields.
Outside of killing 20,000 people, Israel is targeting hospitals, schools, mosques and they've destroyed half of the housing in Gaza.
On top of that Israel is still blocking food and water, has destroyed almost all the hospitals and withheld medicine.
2.3 million people are starving, need water, were already mostly refugees and children and are now at major risk of disease.

Whatever the fuck you think Hamas is capable of doing, Israel has done, way way worse.

 

Frankfooter

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But you are cheering on the anti-Israel forces lobbying for Palestinians because you're a racist hypocrite.
No, basketcase.

I'm calling for a ceasefire and the rule of law.
I'm calling for equal rights and the end of the occupation and apartheid.

I'm not cheering for death on any side.
Unlike your continual cheering on for genocide here.

Stop killing children.

 

Frankfooter

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Why are you so offended by American Jews lobbying their government but happily support Arab Americans doing the same thing? Oh that's right. You hate Jews being in the middle east and happily push any anti-semitic conspiracy theories that you think help your crusade.
If they do so on behalf of a foreign government they should be labelled as such.
Same as we do for Russia and China here.

Stop asking for special treatment for your 'chosen people', the genocidal zionists.
 

basketcase

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There is debate, and even if there wasn't debate its still a war crime of disproportionate response...
But that's not what the ICC says.
As I have stated previously, Israel has trained lawyers who advise commanders and a robust system intended to ensure compliance with international humanitarian law. Credible allegations of crimes during the current conflict should be the subject of timely, independent examination and investigation.

But despite the thousands of times you refused to condemn Hamas because the ICC hasn't ruled, you've never hesitated in making all sorts of asinine accusations against Israel.
 

basketcase

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If they do so on behalf of a foreign government they should be labelled as such.
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They're not. They are advocating on behalf of themselves, just like Palestinian or Arab Americans.

But your racism has you insisting that all Jews must really be Israeli agents.



p.s. Still trying to pretend everyone who disagrees with you is a secret Jew?
 

basketcase

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No, basketcase.

I'm calling for a ceasefire and the rule of law.
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if you were arguing for rule of law you would be demanding Hamas immediately release their hostages.
 

southpaw

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Can we limit the discussion in this thread to lobbying and its impact? There are several threads about the war. Please and thank you.

 

Frankfooter

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But that's not what the ICC says.
As I have stated previously, Israel has trained lawyers who advise commanders and a robust system intended to ensure compliance with international humanitarian law. Credible allegations of crimes during the current conflict should be the subject of timely, independent examination and investigation.

But despite the thousands of times you refused to condemn Hamas because the ICC hasn't ruled, you've never hesitated in making all sorts of asinine accusations against Israel.
Israel has 62 UN resolutions they have not honoured.
They have been found to be committing an illegal occupation, illegal blockade, apartheid and genocide.

Don't try to say the IDF has a few lawyers who say its ok, like the chief Rabbi who says raping Palestinians is ok.
Its just sad.

Your claim you back the ICC will only last a few days, or until its announced they are investigating any of Israel's actions.
You know it.

Israel is getting desparate.
Trying to get the US to declare that its antisemitic to criticize zionism?
You know you've lost the debate when that's all you've got left.
 
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