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Frankfooter

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Why do you believe they should be labelled as foreign lobbyists?
They act on behalf of Israel, not Jewish Americans and are actively funding PACs and effecting elections.

 

richaceg

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Except for the tweet above.
I know, you will say donating $20 million doesn't mean they will 'own' the candidate and of course, technically you are correct.
That they could have just been spending that much to make sure that Omar wasn't reelected and that they would have had no expectations that the $20 million might influence their views on genocide and apartheid.

And in that trump/ray cohn/ mob mentality you would be correct, there would be no way to definitely prove such a thing.
But you'd also have to be naive to expect that the $20 million was totally strings free.
Tweet above is hearsay until compelling evidence is provided...
 

richaceg

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Two people were offered money they say came from AIPAC to run against Tlaib.
Both donations would have come through the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, with $10 million in contributions to their campaigns and $10 million in independent expenditures.

Its not a big deal that rich people buy politicians in the US, even though its totally messed up.
It should be a big deal when lobbyists representing another country try to buy a politician to put up someone less critical of their country.

There was a big stink here about China possibly funding a conservative candidate, this goes way further.
Democrats and Republicans do it but it's a big deal to you now because Israel is involved...you're a breath of fresh air....always...
 

y2kmark

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Democrats and Republicans do it but it's a big deal to you now because Israel is involved...you're a breath of fresh air....always...
Remember instances in both Alabama and Louisiana (where I think they still have drive thru margarita stands), but this is NOT accepted practice anywhere. Bribery is a criminal offence, even under totalitarian regimes - depending on who's getting bribed, of course...
 

nottyboi

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Most progressives wanting to see human rights improve in the region would be happy that Netanyahu has become toxic and will likely be tossed out on his as but Franky sees it as yet another reason to to demonize Israel.
OMG such BS, the support for the slaughter in Gaza is over 80% in Israel. Israel is a demon, the racism and evil is part of their culture and national identity, Just like Germany and Imperial Japan, only a military defeat will force a reconsidertion onto "gods choosen people"
 

basketcase

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OMG such BS, the support for the slaughter in Gaza is over 80% in Israel. Israel is a demon, the racism and evil is part of their culture and national identity, Just like Germany and Imperial Japan, only a military defeat will force a reconsidertion onto "gods choosen people"
And that's why everyone identifies that not only are you a Putin Puppet, you have an irrational hatred of Israel.

Amazing how you can cheer on an absolute dictator in Russia invading other countries while responding to a post about Netanyahu losing an election.
 

basketcase

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AIPAC should be labelled as foreign lobbyists.
Why do you have a problem with that?
You only say that because you need to believe in Jewish conspiracies to control the US. Do you consider American Pro-Palestinian lobby groups to be foreigners?

The reality is they are a bunch of Americans lobbying their government to adopt policies they support, just like every other American has a right to do.
 
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basketcase

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Are you claiming Nasser Beydoun is lying?
Provide some proof.
I have no idea who he is and have absolutely no reason to accept him/her/them as more authoritative than major news organizations who's entire business model is based on reporting accurately.
 

basketcase

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They act on behalf of Israel, not Jewish Americans and are actively funding PACs and effecting elections.
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How dare Jewish Americans use their constitutional right to lobby their government.

Fucking anti-semitic conspiracy theories.
 

Frankfooter

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You only say that because you need to believe in Jewish conspiracies to control the US. Do you consider American Pro-Palestinian lobby groups to be foreigners?

The reality is they are a bunch of Americans lobbying their government to adopt policies they support, just like every other American has a right to do.
What conspiracy? As you say, they are lobbyists. But they are acting on behalf of a foreign country.
We'd never put up with Russian or Chinese funded politicians here, I have no idea why the US does.
 

nottyboi

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And that's why everyone identifies that not only are you a Putin Puppet, you have an irrational hatred of Israel.

Amazing how you can cheer on an absolute dictator in Russia invading other countries while responding to a post about Netanyahu losing an election.
Bla bla bla. You kiss Israel's ass even as they slaughter children, thousands of civilains, bomb refugee camps, and openly announce their genocideal intentions. Yeah and I am irrational 🤣🙄. Putin is not a dictator, that is absolute nonsense. Is he a strong leader, yes he is. You even saw a group of militias try and launch a coup against him and he did not even imprison everyone involved or even charge all of them. Yeah strongman dictator, whatever. Putin has attacked other nations sure How is that different then so many Western leaders. Other then Putin made a genuine effort over 9 years to avoid the war. You are just clueless or ignorent of all the diplomatic manuvers prior to the war.
 

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y2kmark

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And that's why everyone identifies that not only are you a Putin Puppet, you have an irrational hatred of Israel.

Amazing how you can cheer on an absolute dictator in Russia invading other countries while responding to a post about Netanyahu losing an election.
Can someone who's not a Putin puppet have a RATIONAL hatred of Israel?
 

Valcazar

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They act on behalf of Israel, not Jewish Americans and are actively funding PACs and effecting elections.

Jewish Americans can't be pro-Israel?
Or are you going to offer proof that they are actually funded and run by the Israeli government?
 

Frankfooter

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Jewish Americans can't be pro-Israel?
Or are you going to offer proof that they are actually funded and run by the Israeli government?
That is an unnecessary qualification, that the people handing over the money to AIPAC be foreigners.

FARA requires those who receive funds or act on behalf of a foreign government to register as a foreign agent.

From AIPAC's site:
WE STAND with those who stand with Israel. The AIPAC PAC is a bipartisan, pro-Israel political action committee. It is the largest pro-Israel PAC in America and contributed more resources directly to candidates than any other PAC. 98% of AIPAC-backed candidates won their general election races in 2022.

AIPAC is acting on behalf of Israel with massive amounts of cash that come through a handful of donors but whose sources aren't tracked.

That's reason enough to list it as foreign.
But its also easy to say, what other country would be allowed to fund so many politicians to change policy?
Why is only Israel allowed to do this?
 
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