The Israel Lobby

Frankfooter · Apr 30, 2024

Valcazar said:
You expect Biden to issue sanctions on the ICC if they charge Netanyahu?
In other words, since Trump did it, Biden will do it?

I don't know what Biden will do, but I fully expect he will try something.

shack · May 1, 2024

Frankfooter said:
Biden certainly isn't making himself more popular with the younger generations.

The segment of the voting public that routinely and dramatically has the lowest turnout at election time.

Frankfooter · May 1, 2024

shack said:
The segment of the voting public that routinely and dramatically has the lowest turnout at election time.

Unless you piss them off.

Volunteer medics shocked by unprecedented scale of Gaza injuries

Foreign doctors returning from Gaza describe being left “speechless” by the overwhelming scenes of trauma in the enclave’s hospitals.
Shariq Sayeed, a vascular surgeon from Atlanta, Georgia, says his team treated 40 to 60 patients a day, most of them young people with shrapnel injuries he had never seen before.
“Most were patients 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 years of age,” Sayeed said. “… And unfortunately, there is a very high incidence of infection, … so once you have an amputation that doesn’t heal, you end of getting a higher amputation.”
Ismail Mehr, an anaesthesiologist from New York who led the medical mission, said the foreign doctors were “speechless” when they saw the number of injuries and warned that a looming Rafah offensive would push Gaza’s health sector beyond its capacity.
“I hope and I pray that Rafah is not attacked,” Mehr said. “The health system will not be able to take care of that. It will be a complete catastrophe.”

shack · May 2, 2024

Frankfooter said:
Unless you piss them off.

In which election did pissed of 20 year-olds came out in droves to sway the results. Bar far the biggest protests were over Viet Nam. Nixon won in '68.

So much for your argument.

Frankfooter · May 2, 2024

shack said:
In which election did pissed of 20 year-olds came out in droves to sway the results. Bar far the biggest protests were over Viet Nam. Nixon won in '68.

So much for your argument.

Biden is now Hubert Humphrey in that comparison, hammy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785287538233761897

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1785550327837590001

shack · May 3, 2024

Frankfooter said:
Biden is now Hubert Humphrey in that comparison, hammy.

Which doesn't change the point that the under 30 crowd, who you think is going to change the outcome, is the smallest segment and them being pissed off because of a war is moot.

Frankfooter · May 3, 2024

shack said:
Which doesn't change the point that the under 30 crowd, who you think is going to change the outcome, is the smallest segment and them being pissed off because of a war is moot.

The election will be close.
Netanyahu wants rump to win and screwing over Biden while committing genocide gets him there.
It will only take 1-2% voting change to flip the election.

shack · May 4, 2024

Frankfooter said:
The election will be close.
Netanyahu wants rump to win and screwing over Biden while committing genocide gets him there.
It will only take 1-2% voting change to flip the election.

With all the young voters against him and mobilized, Nixon won by 1% in 1968 and then by a whopping 22% in 1972.

Those young voters traditionally are apathetic and make next to no difference. When it comes to a choice between voting against Israeli support or hanging out or getting high or studying or having sex, all of a sudden they will care about Palestine as much as Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia etc. do, which is diddly squat.

Can't wait for your next prediction.

Frankfooter · May 4, 2024

shack said:
With all the young voters against him and mobilized, Nixon won by 1% in 1968 and then by a whopping 22% in 1972.

Those young voters traditionally are apathetic and make next to no difference. When it comes to a choice between voting against Israeli support or hanging out or getting high or studying or having sex, all of a sudden they will care about Palestine as much as Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia etc. do, which is diddly squat.

Can't wait for your next prediction.

Your history sucks, hammy.
Hubert Humphrey was the pro war candidate in 1968 who lost to Nixon because of student protests.

Hubert Humphrey 1968 presidential campaign - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786599806179110955

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786124505217216863

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1786053432807231524

Valcazar · May 4, 2024

shack said:
In which election did pissed of 20 year-olds came out in droves to sway the results. Bar far the biggest protests were over Viet Nam. Nixon won in '68.

So much for your argument.

And '68 also had Wallace take actual electoral votes running against civil rights - which was the far more important factor in the election results.

Leimonis · May 4, 2024

shack said:
With all the young voters against him and mobilized, Nixon won by 1% in 1968 and then by a whopping 22% in 1972.

Those young voters traditionally are apathetic and make next to no difference. When it comes to a choice between voting against Israeli support or hanging out or getting high or studying or having sex, all of a sudden they will care about Palestine as much as Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Saudi Arabia etc. do, which is diddly squat.

Can't wait for your next prediction.

I wouldn’t bank on youth being busy having sex. Looks like things are drifting towards less and less sex. And in fairness a good number of them are unfuckable.

Valcazar · May 4, 2024

shack said:
Which doesn't change the point that the under 30 crowd, who you think is going to change the outcome, is the smallest segment and them being pissed off because of a war is moot.

But the raw numbers don't matter.
It's where, on the margins, things change that do because the electoral college system is very fucked.