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Frankfooter

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We've discussed this ad nauseum and everybody agrees that the fastest, most humanitarian way to end this is for Hamas to agree to an unconditional surrender and release all the hostages. The war would be over tomorrow.

Frank prefers if a few thousand more Palestinian women and children die first so that Israel has to pay more in reparations
By 'everybody' you mean you.

Its gone too far already, Biden has a cutoff date.
Israel will stop without getting rid of Hamas and becoming more of a pariah state than North Korea.

 

Leimonis

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Israel is attacking Lebanon and Syria right now as well.
How does that help US security?
Has it occurred to you that maybe if leaving Israelis to be exterminated by arabs would really help US security US would just do it?
 

southpaw

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Has it occurred to you that maybe if leaving Israelis to be exterminated by arabs would really help US security US would just do it?
They can't just do it, because their politicians are coerced and threatened by the Israel lobby.

And it wouldn't be leaving them "to be exterminated". It would be leaving them to fend for themselves.
 

Leimonis

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White House slams US Muslim leader’s ‘shocking, antisemitic’ remarks on Oct. 7 Hamas attacks

The White House says it condemns “in the strongest terms” the “shocking, antisemitic” remarks that surfaced earlier today by the founder and executive director of the Council on American–Islamic Relations (CAIR) following Hamas’s shock October 7 attacks on Israel.

Nihad Awad said in a speech during the American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) convention in Chicago last month that he was “happy to see people breaking the siege and throwing down the shackles of their own land, and walk free into their land, which they were not allowed to walk in,” in reference to the unprecedented onslaught two months ago when thousands of Hamas-led terrorists burst through the enclave’s border with Israel and massacred 1,200 people and took another roughly 240 hostage.

“And yes, the people of Gaza have the right to self-defense, have the right to defend themselves, and yes, Israel, as an occupying power, does not have that right to self-defense.
White House spokesperson Andrew Bates says “the horrific, brutal terrorist attacks committed by Hamas on October 7th were, as President Biden said, ‘abhorrent’ and represent ‘unadulterated evil.’ October 7th was the deadliest day for Jewish people since the Holocaust.”

“The atrocities of that day shock the conscience, which is why we can never forget the pain Hamas has caused for so many innocent people. There are families who are in agony mourning loves ones, and there are also families in agony as they do everything in their power to free loved ones being held hostage,” Bates says in a statement.
“Every leader has a responsibility to call out antisemitism wherever it rears its ugly head,’ he says.

 

basketcase

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Hope is not a plan or a strategy.

If you truly want "soon" here's an actual plan:

Hamas needs to surrender and release the hostages. Death and destruction in Gaza stops immediately.

Tell us how many more Palestinian deaths is fine by you until this "hope" of yours happens, because that is what you are calling for and supporting.

Having said that, you've already stated that getting Israel to pay more reparations is worth the price of seeing more Palestinians (whom you deem expendable) die. You reaffirm this about yourself every time you spew your two-faced rhetoric.
Frank has a plan; same as Hamas. Keep killing until Jews decide to leave.
 
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Leimonis

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basketcase

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Yep the entire team Palestine has that plan
I disagree. There are many who actually want peace including many Palestinians. But yes, many sitting in safe places like Qatar or Canada just cheer on the suffering of Palestinians so they can get their Jew hate on.
 

Leimonis

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I disagree. There are many who actually want peace including many Palestinians. But yes, many sitting in safe places like Qatar or Canada just cheer on the suffering of Palestinians so they can get their Jew hate on.
I kinda meant team palestine on terb. But stats on palestinians show that about 70% of them don't want either a one state nor a two state solution which leaves at best 30% that want peace...
 

southpaw

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I kinda meant team palestine on terb.
I'm not team Palestine or team Israel. I'm team Canada. I'd like nothing more than to ignore this conflict.

Same goes for Sikhs, Eritreans, Armenians, Ukrainians..

But as long as one side keeps pulling the West in, the other side is going to push back.
 

Frankfooter

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Justifying Hamas rockets for the specific things that makes them war crimes even though all your rights groups are clear they are unjustifiable?
Just talking about anything is now 'justifying'?
And if you want to talk about war crimes, I'm there.

Lets start with:
Illegal occupation
Illegal settlements
transfer of population
acquisition of land through war
apartheid
domicide
genocide.

 

Leimonis

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Genocidal states alway say the victims were going to commit genocide so we need to kill them first.
Yeah tell that to survivors of October 7.
 

shack

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By 'everybody' you mean you.
No. I mean everyone, including you.

If Hamas released all the hostages and surrendered unconditionally, the war would be over for bagels and lox tomorrow.

You have provided no plan that would work faster. As such, you agree with me.
 

shack

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It would be leaving them to fend for themselves.
Seeing as no one has intervened militarily, that's what they're currently doing. And they are kicking Hamasses big time, all on their own.
 

shack

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Frank has a plan; same as Hamas. Keep killing until Jews decide to leave.
That's a pipe dream. Israel will do with Hamas what Orkin does with vermin.
 
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