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[squeezer]

You're kidding right?

Pandemic had nothing to do with it and happened in his last year in office.

The US pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021. Biden was in office 6 months when that happened and 13 soldiers were killed during the withdrawal alone. That's about how many were killed each year in Afghanistan during Trump's term.

Do you want a real interesting tidbit? Total US soldiers killed during Trump's term in Afghanistan was about 70. During Obama's last 4 years in office: 500+

Care to twist yourself into more a pretzel?

So tell me, do you believe Trump's claims that Haitians are eating pets and states are committing infanticide which just happens to be illegal everywhere?

Scoob, watch Bill and tell me how it makes your head pop.

@wyatt.earp there is an educational bit on tariffs I think will benefit you, my friend.

 

[The Oracle]

So tell me, do you believe Trump's claims that Haitians are eating pets and states are committing infanticide which just happens to be illegal everywhere?

Scoob, watch Bill and tell me how it makes your head pop.

@wyatt.earp there is an educational bit on tariffs I think will benefit you, my friend.

I've always like Al Franken and if you are in Springfield you better keep all of your ducks in a row

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833627872390480049

 

[WyattEarp]

@wyatt.earp there is an educational bit on tariffs I think will benefit you, my friend.

I'm glad Maher held Franken's feet to the fire on the Biden tariffs.

Their discussion did trigger my brain to focus on why the handwringing over Chinese tariffs is just that and not this big attack on the American consumer. Trump's proposing tariffs on one, single adversarial country. Historically, when tariffs have been discussed they are applied across the board on certain products regardless of origin. I have said something like this in more general terms. In the event more tariffs are applied to Chinese imports, Vietnam, India, Mexico and whoever can step in and provide these products more competitively.

As far as everything else Franken said, I think it's clear as smart as he is he's still playing hard for the Democratic team.

Maher: Let's not play team sports. Let's play truth.

PS- Kristen Soltis Anderson is so hot. She and other women like her might be one of the reasons I sometimes miss drowning myself in cable news bullshit.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

It's disingenuous to tout the Biden economy and then say well inflation, he has no impact on that. Expanded govt. spending always powers an economy and creates a feeling of wealth. Inflation is many times the symptom of such expanded spending and a recession is the hangover.

Inflation is not the "economy" It can affect the economy but in they are two different things.

GDP is important because it gives information about the size of the economy and how an economy is performing. The growth rate of real GDP is often used as an indicator of the general health of the economy. In broad terms, an increase in real GDP is interpreted as a sign that the economy is doing well.

On a GDP basis and low unemployment the US has had a very strong, too hot economy which was due to huge demand vs restrained supplies coming out of COVID, global warming destroying crops with record heat, hurricanes, floods more servere

Trump spent more than Biden and just tossed most of it out (delayed checks to everyone since he insisted they have his signature instead of normal one (Secty of Traasury I think).

Biden spending was more targeted and largely investments in future growth (clean energy industry. chip manufacuring, infrastructure for bridges in bad need of repair) and many other future investments for the future.

Harris (who by the way is not Biden) as she as VP follows the policy of her boss (Pres). ALthough Biden was great for the economy.

Now turning to yes the mlllions of folks that are being hit by high grocery prices and other inflation factors that are global not just US, (none of which Biden or any global leader controls):

Most of Trumps proposals would skyrocket inflation (Tariffs, tax cuts mostly for his wealthy class, mass deportation reducing needed labor etc etc).

Harris has been very specific with detailed proposals to reduce costs some by tax credits (child care, earned income, down payment for new homebuyer) and tax deduction up to $50k for new small businesses etc.

She pays for this by more fair taxation with increased corp tax - but still below what it was pre-Trump and reversing the Trump tax cut for the wealthy for those making over $400k of income and some other sources.

High income individuals have the lowest top rates in US history and in most of the world (and Europe etc also have VAT taxes the consumer pays far higher than sales taxes). When I was a tax superviosor at then "Big 8" Touche Ross (Now Deloitte) it was great to have more than $50k of earned income since that was taxed at the "max tax" rate of 50% vs up to 70% on unearned income. Not to mention our silly estate laws making it easy to donate to heirs (like Trump) huge amounts not taxed so you never have to work for your money other than be a con-man whose only major property he ever made money on was the one he inherited from father Fred)

Six bankrupcies, huge judgments, and remember "I am so rich" that he doesn't need to fundraise but pays his own campaign cost? Yah he has scammed millions in fund raising, fake charity, fake university etc. And admires dictators, Hitler and autocrats.

Just not what se need in the US.

 

[Dave in Phoenix]

Their discussion did trigger my brain to focus on why the handwringing over Chinese tariffs is just that and not this big attack on the American consumer. Trump's proposing tariffs on one, single adversarial country.

Huh? Trumps proposed tariffs are 10% on ALL foreign countries and 60% from China. The current Biden tariffs are narrowly targeted to key industries related to US manufacturing of clean energy and stuff like chips so we don't have to rely on China or Taiwan to supply the most advanced military's electronics etc.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

You're kidding right?

Pandemic had nothing to do with it and happened in his last year in office.

The US pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021. Biden was in office 6 months when that happened and 13 soldiers were killed during the withdrawal alone. That's about how many were killed each year in Afghanistan during Trump's term.

Do you want a real interesting tidbit? Total US soldiers killed during Trump's term in Afghanistan was about 70. During Obama's last 4 years in office: 500+

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There’s a song on the Lemonheads’ underrated 1996 album Car Button Cloth that I love for very personal reasons. “The Outdoor Type” is a jangly pop tune in which the narrator admits that he had earlier misled his partner about his true interests:

I can’t go away with you on a rock-climbing weekend;

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It’s just as well I’m not invited, I’m afraid of heights;

I lied about being the outdoor type.

I love this because I also misrepresented my enthusiasm for rock climbing to someone I very much wanted to spend more time with. And I was thinking about the lies we tell people we’re trying to lay because of the spate of recent articles trying to convince us that former U.S. President Donald Trump is an anti-imperialist.

Sen. J.D. Vance claimed in January that the most important part of Trump’s legacy is his foreign policy. “My entire adult lifetime has been shaped by presidents who threw America into unwise wars and failed to win them,” Vance wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “In Mr. Trump’s four years in office, he started no wars despite enormous pressure from his own party and even members of his own administration.”

Trump “has done more to restrain the US imperium than any politician in 75 years,” Christian Parenti wrote in Compact recently. This, Parenti claimed, is the real cause of his prosecution by the Manhattan district attorney. “Trump has been investigated, impeached, and indicted not because of the crimes of which he is accused,” wrote Parenti, “but because he has dared to oppose the imperial foreign policy favored by elites.”

Sohrab Ahmari, a former neoconservative now aligned with the Trumpist right, and one of the founders of Compact, followed up with a piece hailing Trump as “the one figure who in my lifetime has meaningfully rolled back the self-righteous imperium” scolding the anti-war left for not embracing Trump as its true hero. “The left suddenly turns ultra-principled when it comes to judging Trump’s record as an anti-imperial president: He wasn’t a total pacifist! He talked about ‘taking their oil.’ What about Yemen? Come on.”

These pieces foretell a larger effort to seduce the anti-war left with the idea that Trump, despite all evidence to the contrary, is an attractive partner for the project of reining in the American empire—that he really is the Outdoor Type. (Although for Vance, who went from outspoken Trump critic to cravenly falling in line when his political ambition required it, a better tune might be Stephen Stills’s “Love the One You’re With.”)

These pieces all rest heavily on the claim that Trump launched no new wars. That’s true as far as it goes. But it was certainly not for lack of trying. Trump might not have started any wars, but he massively inflamed existing ones—and came close to catastrophic new ones.

Let’s review the record. Despite inveighing against “endless wars,” Trump massively escalated the country’s existing wars in multiple theaters, leading to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leading to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalated both U.S. counterterrorism activities and support for the devastating Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom’s Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump’s presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration.

 

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There’s a song on the Lemonheads’ underrated 1996 album Car Button Cloth that I love for very personal reasons. “The Outdoor Type” is a jangly pop tune in which the narrator admits that he had earlier misled his partner about his true interests:

I can’t go away with you on a rock-climbing weekend;

What if something’s on TV and it’s never shown again;

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It’s just as well I’m not invited, I’m afraid of heights;

I lied about being the outdoor type.

I love this because I also misrepresented my enthusiasm for rock climbing to someone I very much wanted to spend more time with. And I was thinking about the lies we tell people we’re trying to lay because of the spate of recent articles trying to convince us that former U.S. President Donald Trump is an anti-imperialist.

Sen. J.D. Vance claimed in January that the most important part of Trump’s legacy is his foreign policy. “My entire adult lifetime has been shaped by presidents who threw America into unwise wars and failed to win them,” Vance wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “In Mr. Trump’s four years in office, he started no wars despite enormous pressure from his own party and even members of his own administration.”

Trump “has done more to restrain the US imperium than any politician in 75 years,” Christian Parenti wrote in Compact recently. This, Parenti claimed, is the real cause of his prosecution by the Manhattan district attorney. “Trump has been investigated, impeached, and indicted not because of the crimes of which he is accused,” wrote Parenti, “but because he has dared to oppose the imperial foreign policy favored by elites.”

Sohrab Ahmari, a former neoconservative now aligned with the Trumpist right, and one of the founders of Compact, followed up with a piece hailing Trump as “the one figure who in my lifetime has meaningfully rolled back the self-righteous imperium” scolding the anti-war left for not embracing Trump as its true hero. “The left suddenly turns ultra-principled when it comes to judging Trump’s record as an anti-imperial president: He wasn’t a total pacifist! He talked about ‘taking their oil.’ What about Yemen? Come on.”

These pieces foretell a larger effort to seduce the anti-war left with the idea that Trump, despite all evidence to the contrary, is an attractive partner for the project of reining in the American empire—that he really is the Outdoor Type. (Although for Vance, who went from outspoken Trump critic to cravenly falling in line when his political ambition required it, a better tune might be Stephen Stills’s “Love the One You’re With.”)

These pieces all rest heavily on the claim that Trump launched no new wars. That’s true as far as it goes. But it was certainly not for lack of trying. Trump might not have started any wars, but he massively inflamed existing ones—and came close to catastrophic new ones.

Let’s review the record. Despite inveighing against “endless wars,” Trump massively escalated the country’s existing wars in multiple theaters, leading to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leading to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalated both U.S. counterterrorism activities and support for the devastating Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom’s Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump’s presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration.

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There’s a song on the Lemonheads’ underrated 1996 album Car Button Cloth that I love for very personal reasons. “The Outdoor Type” is a jangly pop tune in which the narrator admits that he had earlier misled his partner about his true interests:

I can’t go away with you on a rock-climbing weekend;

What if something’s on TV and it’s never shown again;

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It’s just as well I’m not invited, I’m afraid of heights;

I lied about being the outdoor type.

I love this because I also misrepresented my enthusiasm for rock climbing to someone I very much wanted to spend more time with. And I was thinking about the lies we tell people we’re trying to lay because of the spate of recent articles trying to convince us that former U.S. President Donald Trump is an anti-imperialist.

Sen. J.D. Vance claimed in January that the most important part of Trump’s legacy is his foreign policy. “My entire adult lifetime has been shaped by presidents who threw America into unwise wars and failed to win them,” Vance wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed. “In Mr. Trump’s four years in office, he started no wars despite enormous pressure from his own party and even members of his own administration.”

Trump “has done more to restrain the US imperium than any politician in 75 years,” Christian Parenti wrote in Compact recently. This, Parenti claimed, is the real cause of his prosecution by the Manhattan district attorney. “Trump has been investigated, impeached, and indicted not because of the crimes of which he is accused,” wrote Parenti, “but because he has dared to oppose the imperial foreign policy favored by elites.”

Sohrab Ahmari, a former neoconservative now aligned with the Trumpist right, and one of the founders of Compact, followed up with a piece hailing Trump as “the one figure who in my lifetime has meaningfully rolled back the self-righteous imperium” scolding the anti-war left for not embracing Trump as its true hero. “The left suddenly turns ultra-principled when it comes to judging Trump’s record as an anti-imperial president: He wasn’t a total pacifist! He talked about ‘taking their oil.’ What about Yemen? Come on.”

These pieces foretell a larger effort to seduce the anti-war left with the idea that Trump, despite all evidence to the contrary, is an attractive partner for the project of reining in the American empire—that he really is the Outdoor Type. (Although for Vance, who went from outspoken Trump critic to cravenly falling in line when his political ambition required it, a better tune might be Stephen Stills’s “Love the One You’re With.”)

These pieces all rest heavily on the claim that Trump launched no new wars. That’s true as far as it goes. But it was certainly not for lack of trying. Trump might not have started any wars, but he massively inflamed existing ones—and came close to catastrophic new ones.

Let’s review the record. Despite inveighing against “endless wars,” Trump massively escalated the country’s existing wars in multiple theaters, leading to skyrocketing casualties. In Afghanistan, he substantially upped the amount of airstrikes, leading to a 330 percent increase in civilian deaths. In Yemen, he escalated both U.S. counterterrorism activities and support for the devastating Saudi-led war against the Houthis. According to the United Kingdom’s Bureau of Investigative Journalism, there were 2,243 drone strikes in just the first two years of Trump’s presidency, compared with 1,878 in the entire eight years of the Obama administration.

Wow, you are rewriting history with Ritchies version. You are really losing your mind in that hole eh?? Ukraine asked to join NATO as ANY COUNTRY has the right to do and US said NO because of Crimea being at odds and issues with Russia but hey, you make up your bullshit to fit your silly narrative .

Trump was pissed at Zelensky because Zelensky wouldn't help him cheat to win his election. Unlike Russia which released Clinton's emails to help your cult leader.

Dude, read a book man.



It was a Republican president called George Bush after the September 11 attack or was that fake too? Admit it, you know jack shit and Jack is still laughing at your posts.

I love it how he takes trunps lies and exaggerates them even more to trillions. What a tool.

 

[kherg007]

I believe Trump was convicted. Same with every one around him. Durham could only get one mild thing and spent more years and $ than Mueller who got dozens of indictments and convictions too.

 

[Frankfooter]

The US seems to think Harris won as well.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4877164-harris-leads-trump-debate-poll/?tbref=hp

 

[squeezer]

I've always like Al Franken and if you are in Springfield you better keep all of your ducks in a row

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833627872390480049

Is this the same thing as when the E. Indian fella here was accused of shitting in the open by the pumps that were proven to be nonsense? Why do the righties always love to jump on nonsensical stories?

I'm glad Maher held Franken's feet to the fire on the Biden tariffs.

Their discussion did trigger my brain to focus on why the handwringing over Chinese tariffs is just that and not this big attack on the American consumer. Trump's proposing tariffs on one, single adversarial country. Historically, when tariffs have been discussed they are applied across the board on certain products regardless of origin. I have said something like this in more general terms. In the event more tariffs are applied to Chinese imports, Vietnam, India, Mexico and whoever can step in and provide these products more competitively.

As far as everything else Franken said, I think it's clear as smart as he is he's still playing hard for the Democratic team.

Maher: Let's not play team sports. Let's play truth.

You miss my point. Trump is claiming the tariffs will bring billions and billions of tax revenue from China. Enough tax revenue to pay for his no taxing tips, no taxing OT and no taxing pensions. This is all a lie and that is my point. The tariffs only raise the price of products and are used only to help American companies who cannot compete with some countries on pricing.

PS- Kristen Soltis Anderson is so hot. She and other women like her might be one of the reasons I sometimes miss drowning myself in cable news bullshit.

Yeah, I'd happily do her so I will agree with you on Kristen.

 

[Frankfooter]

You miss my point. Trump is claiming the tariffs will bring billions and billions of tax revenue from China. Enough tax revenue to pay for his no taxing tips, no taxing OT and no taxing pensions. This is all a lie and that is my point. The tariffs only raise the price of products and are used only to help American companies who cannot compete with some countries on pricing.

Its rump arguing that adding 60% tariffs to Chinese imports won't cost consumers that is the real idiocy. Yet they still believe it.
Almost as stupid as this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1834663593629143315

 

[mandrill]

x.com

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NEWS The Ohio Division of Wildlife tells TMZ that the Black man holding geese in the photo that went viral was actually picking up the geese after they were hit in a car accident. As previously reported, the incident didn’t even occur in Springfield, Ohio; it took place in Columbus, and there’s no evidence that the man is Haitian or an immigrant. Full Story: https://bit.ly/3B2MF5b

 

[dirtydaveiii]

I believe Trump was convicted. Same with every one around him. Durham could only get one mild thing and spent more years and $ than Mueller who got dozens of indictments and convictions too.

Didn't Durham solve the crime of the century according to lying Donald?

 

[squeezer]

I've always like Al Franken and if you are in Springfield you better keep all of your ducks in a row

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1833627872390480049

Here is where your nonsensical conspiracy theory originated from

x.com

x.com

NEWS The Ohio Division of Wildlife tells TMZ that the Black man holding geese in the photo that went viral was actually picking up the geese after they were hit in a car accident. As previously reported, the incident didn’t even occur in Springfield, Ohio; it took place in Columbus, and there’s no evidence that the man is Haitian or an immigrant. Full Story: https://bit.ly/3B2MF5b

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[squeezer]

Its rump arguing that adding 60% tariffs to Chinese imports won't cost consumers that is the real idiocy. Yet they still believe it.
Almost as stupid as this.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1834663593629143315

It is amazing how they buy into whatever he says. It truly is a cult.

 

[WyattEarp]

Huh? Trumps proposed tariffs are 10% on ALL foreign countries and 60% from China. The current Biden tariffs are narrowly targeted to key industries related to US manufacturing of clean energy and stuff like chips so we don't have to rely on China or Taiwan to supply the most advanced military's electronics etc.

I stand corrected. I do not support tariffs across the board. However, China is fair game.

I was focused on the big proposed tariff with China. Mexico is currently benefiting from a manufacturing away shift away from China. Mexico is a bit complicated to discuss. They are in the U.S.-Mexico-Canada agreement which should insulate them from tariffs. Trump is known to be aggressive on trade. Mexico has a leftist government that is dangerously flirting with breaking terms of the agreement.

The U.S. incidentally also has free trade agreements with twenty countries. I wouldn't start to dissect Trump's words to presume these agreements would necessarily be blown up.

 

[WyattEarp]

You miss my point. Trump is claiming the tariffs will bring billions and billions of tax revenue from China. Enough tax revenue to pay for his no taxing tips, no taxing OT and no taxing pensions. This is all a lie and that is my point. The tariffs only raise the price of products and are used only to help American companies who cannot compete with some countries on pricing.

Squeeze, does it really matter how he says he is going to finance this and that? Kamala has a lot of programs that she wants to initiate. She has said she is going to raise taxes but independent studies have said they won't cover all her plans. Is she just going to borrow another trillion? If she can't find a way to finance more programs, are those lies?

In any event, we all know most of this has to go through Congress regardless of who is President.

Take the emotion out if it and you realize hyperbole in U.S. politics is quite normal. Trump likely exaggerates more than any current politician, but some how everyone is all over his claims and disregarding Kamala's. It's okay for her to say she is going to do things that she can't pay for. Perhaps she can pay for it if she can take a bite out of the middle class. Democrats always have tax plans that they claim won't impact most Americans. It's just politics.

 

[Big Rig]

Squeeze, does it really matter how he says he is going to finance this and that? Kamala has a lot of programs that she wants to initiate. She has said she is going to raise taxes but independent studies have said they won't cover all her plans. Is she just going to borrow another trillion? If she can't find a way to finance more programs, are those lies?

In any event, we all know most of this has to go through Congress regardless of who is President.

Take the emotion out if it and you realize hyperbole in U.S. politics is quite normal. Trump likely exaggerates more than any current politician, but some how everyone is all over his claims and disregarding Kamala's. It's okay for her to say she is going to do things that she can't pay for. Perhaps she can pay for it if she can take a bite out of the middle class. Democrats always have tax plans that they claim won't impact most Americans. It's just politics.

You miss the point

Trump is a stunning liar, a meglomaniac, a sociopath and complete incompetent who will not listen

Harris is just your typical lying politician

Politicians are forced to lie and exaggerate and tell semi truths even if they do not want to or they will not get voted in so you need to cut them some slack

Saying Trump is just a typical lying politician is like saying Hitler was

 

[Frankfooter]

I stand corrected. I do not support tariffs across the board. However, China is fair game.

I was focused on the big proposed tariff with China. Mexico is currently benefiting from a manufacturing away shift away from China. Mexico is a bit complicated to discuss. They are in the U.S.-Mexico-Canada agreement which should insulate them from tariffs. Trump is known to be aggressive on trade. Mexico has a leftist government that is dangerously flirting with breaking terms of the agreement.

The U.S. incidentally also has free trade agreements with twenty countries. I wouldn't start to dissect Trump's words to presume these agreements would necessarily be blown up.

That would bump up most of Amazon and Walmart prices by 60%.
You'd be up for that?

 

[squeezer]

Squeeze, does it really matter how he says he is going to finance this and that? Kamala has a lot of programs that she wants to initiate. She has said she is going to raise taxes but independent studies have said they won't cover all her plans. Is she just going to borrow another trillion? If she can't find a way to finance more programs, are those lies?

In any event, we all know most of this has to go through Congress regardless of who is President.

Take the emotion out if it and you realize hyperbole in U.S. politics is quite normal. Trump likely exaggerates more than any current politician, but some how everyone is all over his claims and disregarding Kamala's. It's okay for her to say she is going to do things that she can't pay for. Perhaps she can pay for it if she can take a bite out of the middle class. Democrats always have tax plans that they claim won't impact most Americans. It's just politics.

The difference is Kamala tells you she is raising corporate taxes for one, Trump lies to you and tells you his Tarrif will cover his no taxes on Tips, OT and pensions on top of huge tax cuts to the wealthy. I don't believe I can help you if you cannot see the difference.

I can't help but write off all Trump voters as having a very low IQ and/or just very gullible folks.