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The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 77 78.6%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.2%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 10 10.2%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.0%

  • Total voters
    98

WyattEarp

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Are you sure about that considering the Bushs went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq? I ask you again, are you sure about your statement?

hint, don't mix up airstrikes with casualties or which Prez killed more terrorists!
Make a point.

I just clarified your statement about relative Afghan military deaths under Trump by providing more data. I'm not blaming Obama. I believe Obama was convinced by military advisors to escalate the Afghan war during his tenure in office. I like many Americans are happy that Obama gave the order to shoot to kill Bin Laden. As you know, Bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan.

You have to help us understand the relevancy of the number of military deaths in Afghanistan under Trump.
 

squeezer

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Make a point.

I just clarified your statement about relative Afghan military deaths under Trump by providing more data. I'm not blaming Obama. I believe Obama was convinced by military advisors to escalate the Afghan war during his tenure in office. I like many Americans are happy that Obama gave the order to shoot to kill Bin Laden. As you know, Bin Laden wasn't in Afghanistan.

You have to help us understand the relevancy of the number of military deaths in Afghanistan under Trump.
Here you go, Wyatt. Read up and absorb the facts over fiction that Trump lays out. My original reply was to Ritchie who believes in nonsense but since you stepped in, here you go.



ps...what data have you provided??
 

WyattEarp

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Here you go, Wyatt. Read up and absorb the facts over fiction that Trump lays out. My original reply was to Ritchie who believes in nonsense but since you stepped in, here you go.



ps...what data have you provided??
See this helps to put it into context. I literally tried to determine why you were mentioning military deaths in Afghanistan at that point.

As far as fact checks, probably not one of the strongest. It could be considered quibbling. I'm guessing Trump is taking credit for negotiating a cease fire of sorts in return for U.S. withdrawal.
 
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mandrill

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I don’t get it. Hasn’t this been done to make fun of Trump and his supporters? And they are dumb enough to like it?
Mitch likes it. Draw your own conclusions. 😺
 

mandrill

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See this helps to put it into context. I literally tried to determine why you were mentioning military deaths in Afghanistan at that point.

As far as fact checks, probably not one if the strongest. It could be considered quibbling. I'm guessing Trump is taking credit for negotiating a cease fire of sorts in return for U.S. withdrawal.
Didn't Trump have the Taliban visit him at Camp David or some crazy shit like that?!
 
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WyattEarp

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Didn't Trump have the Taliban visit him at Camp David or some crazy shit like that?!
Yeah, he served them barbecued pork ribs.
 

Big Rig

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I think this is a heavily skewed and limited interpretation of what is happening with German energy.

The one thing I know of the Continental European governments is that they do not like criticism from the U.S. and will not be forthright about what is happening. Hey, they're politicians too. They're not holy men.
Good point Wyatt!

Such info should come from an independent source which the moderaters did not have

They should have been better prepared for such an important debate IMHO
like Earp was in the shootout at Tombstone LOL
 

Skoob

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Um, there was a pandemic during your cult leader's menacing run which kind of stopped most dictators in their tracks. Yet more American soldiers were killed in Afghanistan during the Trump administration than in the Biden admin. Hmmmm, interesting little tidbit eh Scoob?
You're kidding right?

Pandemic had nothing to do with it and happened in his last year in office.

The US pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021. Biden was in office 6 months when that happened and 13 soldiers were killed during the withdrawal alone. That's about how many were killed each year in Afghanistan during Trump's term.

Do you want a real interesting tidbit? Total US soldiers killed during Trump's term in Afghanistan was about 70. During Obama's last 4 years in office: 500+

Care to twist yourself into more a pretzel?
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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Fact is, no one invaded anyone while he was in power.

Everyone invaded everyone when the Dems took office.
That is possibly the most cop out explanation I have come across in some time leaving out all the inconvenient facts and the foreign policy positions Trump took during his time in office. Trump consistently put down NATO, and took the side of Putin. Obviously Putin did not have a reason to invade in that case, with someone like Trump doing his work for him.
 

Frankfooter

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It's not about any plan...it's about hypocrisy.

You just can't wrap your brain around your own hypocrisy and distract to irrelevant details.
Give it up...your distraction proves your hypocrisy.
You're trolling again.
Let us know if you ever want to get on topic.
 

squeezer

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You're kidding right?

Pandemic had nothing to do with it and happened in his last year in office.

The US pulled out of Afghanistan in 2021. Biden was in office 6 months when that happened and 13 soldiers were killed during the withdrawal alone. That's about how many were killed each year in Afghanistan during Trump's term.

Do you want a real interesting tidbit? Total US soldiers killed during Trump's term in Afghanistan was about 70. During Obama's last 4 years in office: 500+

Care to twist yourself into more a pretzel?
So tell me, do you believe Trump's claims that Haitians are eating pets and states are committing infanticide which just happens to be illegal everywhere?

Scoob, watch Bill and tell me how it makes your head pop.

@wyatt.earp there is an educational bit on tariffs I think will benefit you, my friend.

 

The Oracle

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So tell me, do you believe Trump's claims that Haitians are eating pets and states are committing infanticide which just happens to be illegal everywhere?

Scoob, watch Bill and tell me how it makes your head pop.

@wyatt.earp there is an educational bit on tariffs I think will benefit you, my friend.

I've always like Al Franken and if you are in Springfield you better keep all of your ducks in a row

 

WyattEarp

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@wyatt.earp there is an educational bit on tariffs I think will benefit you, my friend.

I'm glad Maher held Franken's feet to the fire on the Biden tariffs.

Their discussion did trigger my brain to focus on why the handwringing over Chinese tariffs is just that and not this big attack on the American consumer. Trump's proposing tariffs on one, single adversarial country. Historically, when tariffs have been discussed they are applied across the board on certain products regardless of origin. I have said something like this in more general terms. In the event more tariffs are applied to Chinese imports, Vietnam, India, Mexico and whoever can step in and provide these products more competitively.

As far as everything else Franken said, I think it's clear as smart as he is he's still playing hard for the Democratic team.

Maher: Let's not play team sports. Let's play truth.

PS- Kristen Soltis Anderson is so hot. She and other women like her might be one of the reasons I sometimes miss drowning myself in cable news bullshit.
 
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