Munk Debate on Zionism

basketcase

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You mean when Israel agreed to a ceasefire and 105 hostages were released?
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Yes, the one Hamas refused to extend. Hamas even fire rockets before that ceasefire had ended.

You've spent 9 months demanding a ceasefire while also saying Hamas shouldn't accept any of the ceasefires.
 

basketcase

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Its Israel that is opposed to a ceasefire.
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Yet the UN said Israel has accepted. Netanyahu is talking for an internal political audience but had already authorized the negotiators to make that ceasefire deal.

Too bad Hamas refused once again, sending a whole new set of demands instead.
 

basketcase

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Israel chose to be apartheid and now must deal with the ramifications.
End of story.

Deal with it Shazi.
Hamas and previous Palestinian leaderships have rejected any peace involving Jews for 100 years. When are you going to accept they are responsible for much of the ramifications?
 
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Irgun were terrorists before there were Palestinian terrorists.
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Irgun were terrorists and opposed by mainstream zionist groups and when Israel was formed, Irgun was forcibly disarmed by the state.

But Irgun was formed in in 1931, after the anti-Jewish riots in 1919, 1920, and 1929.
 

shack

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And what will those protests accomplish? Nothing. They will effect no change in policy.
Clearly, the intent is to influence world opinion and hence influence the conflict. You cannot deny that.

Too bad that they are as effective as Geno.
 

shack

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If you want to fight and die for Israel, you're welcome to. If you want to donate all your wealth to Israel, you're welcome to.

Same goes for any other foreign country. I don't.
And that's what people do when they donate to AIPAC. It's good that you endorse their donations to support Israel. It's all perfectly kosher.
 

shack

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You keep holding on to that tiny bit of turf,
Actually, it's a huge piece of turf. It is historical proof showing how the UN works when there is actual apartheid. No such workings, meaning resolutions like #1761, have been passed against Israel. Deal with it.

As hard as you try, you cannot lie or divert your way around documented history. Based on your history, you'll probably try to tell us #1761 never really happened.
 

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Actually, it's a huge piece of turf.
The problem in the past has been the man turning us against one another. We have been unable to see the truth, because we have fighting for ten square feet of ground, our turf, our little piece of turf. That's crap, brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's our turn. All we have to do is keep up the general truce. We take over one borough at a time. Secure our territory... secure our turf... because it's all our turf!
Can you dig it suckas

Now watch Frankie desperately try to turn this about Trump or about some pro Hamas thing or to paint me a homophobe [ironic isn't that] or some other utterly clueless nonsense.
 

shack

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I'm sure you'll be laughing all the way to the Hague.
That is conjecture, Genostradamus.

What is not conjecture is that no resolution of apartheid have been levied against Israel.
 
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shack

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The problem in the past has been the man turning us against one another. We have been unable to see the truth, because we have fighting for ten square feet of ground, our turf, our little piece of turf. That's crap, brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's our turn. All we have to do is keep up the general truce. We take over one borough at a time. Secure our territory... secure our turf... because it's all our turf!
Can you dig it suckas

Now watch Frankie desperately try to turn this about Trump or about some pro Hamas thing or to paint me a homophobe [ironic isn't that] or some other utterly clueless nonsense.
He alwaaayys diverts when he's losing a debate. The only exception is when he chooses to just lie outright.
 

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Yes, the one Hamas refused to extend. Hamas even fire rockets before that ceasefire had ended.

You've spent 9 months demanding a ceasefire while also saying Hamas shouldn't accept any of the ceasefires.
Netanyahu was the one that declared that truce would end when they said it would and wouldn't be extended.
Really, basketcase, your lying is really quite sad.

 

Frankfooter

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Yet the UN said Israel has accepted. Netanyahu is talking for an internal political audience but had already authorized the negotiators to make that ceasefire deal.

Too bad Hamas refused once again, sending a whole new set of demands instead.
Its Netanyahu that refuses to end the war, even if the hostages were returned.

 

Frankfooter

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Hamas and previous Palestinian leaderships have rejected any peace involving Jews for 100 years. When are you going to accept they are responsible for much of the ramifications?
There were no peace offers, basketcase.
There has been no offer of the two state solution, nor return of Palestinian land or return of Palestinian refugees.
Instead Israel just keeps taking more and more of Palestine.


 

Frankfooter

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Actually, it's a huge piece of turf. It is historical proof showing how the UN works when there is actual apartheid. No such workings, meaning resolutions like #1761, have been passed against Israel. Deal with it.

As hard as you try, you cannot lie or divert your way around documented history. Based on your history, you'll probably try to tell us #1761 never really happened.
Shazi, can we take it from your posts that if the UN ever issues a resolution declaring Israel apartheid you will agree with them and cease supporting Israel?
Will you agree to this?
 

Frankfooter

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That is conjecture, Genostradamus.

What is not conjecture is that no resolution of apartheid have been levied against Israel.
Not yet, Shazi.
How long do you think that will last?






 
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