Munk Debate on Zionism

[NotADcotor]

Actually, it's a huge piece of turf.

The problem in the past has been the man turning us against one another. We have been unable to see the truth, because we have fighting for ten square feet of ground, our turf, our little piece of turf. That's crap, brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's our turn. All we have to do is keep up the general truce. We take over one borough at a time. Secure our territory... secure our turf... because it's all our turf!
Can you dig it suckas

Now watch Frankie desperately try to turn this about Trump or about some pro Hamas thing or to paint me a homophobe [ironic isn't that] or some other utterly clueless nonsense.

 

[shack]

I'm sure you'll be laughing all the way to the Hague.

That is conjecture, Genostradamus.

What is not conjecture is that no resolution of apartheid have been levied against Israel.

 

[shack]

The problem in the past has been the man turning us against one another. We have been unable to see the truth, because we have fighting for ten square feet of ground, our turf, our little piece of turf. That's crap, brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's our turn. All we have to do is keep up the general truce. We take over one borough at a time. Secure our territory... secure our turf... because it's all our turf!
Can you dig it suckas

Now watch Frankie desperately try to turn this about Trump or about some pro Hamas thing or to paint me a homophobe [ironic isn't that] or some other utterly clueless nonsense.

He alwaaayys diverts when he's losing a debate. The only exception is when he chooses to just lie outright.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, the one Hamas refused to extend. Hamas even fire rockets before that ceasefire had ended.

You've spent 9 months demanding a ceasefire while also saying Hamas shouldn't accept any of the ceasefires.

Netanyahu was the one that declared that truce would end when they said it would and wouldn't be extended.
Really, basketcase, your lying is really quite sad.

16 more hostages are freed as Netanyahu vows to resume war at truce's end - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Hamas has offered to release four more sets of hostages to extend the truce, but it is not clear whether Israel would accept.

www.jta.org

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet the UN said Israel has accepted. Netanyahu is talking for an internal political audience but had already authorized the negotiators to make that ceasefire deal.

Too bad Hamas refused once again, sending a whole new set of demands instead.

Its Netanyahu that refuses to end the war, even if the hostages were returned.

Netanyahu: Ending war as part of hostage deal would keep Hamas as threat to Israel

Prime minister blames terror group's 'extreme position' in demanding withdrawal of all IDF forces for holding up deal; Haniyeh accuses Israel of 'sabotaging' talks in Cairo

www.timesofisrael.com

Netanyahu says he won't agree to a deal that ends the war in Gaza, testing the latest truce proposal

His latest comments come at a sensitive time and could represent another setback for mediators trying to end the war.

apnews.com

 

[Frankfooter]

Hamas and previous Palestinian leaderships have rejected any peace involving Jews for 100 years. When are you going to accept they are responsible for much of the ramifications?

There were no peace offers, basketcase.
There has been no offer of the two state solution, nor return of Palestinian land or return of Palestinian refugees.
Instead Israel just keeps taking more and more of Palestine.

Cabinet members call to resettle Gaza, encourage Gazans to leave, at jubilant conference

11 ministers, 15 coalition MKs present amid dancing at right-wing confab attended by thousands; Likud minister appears to endorse coercive measures to promote Palestinian emigration

www.timesofisrael.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-israel-west-bank-reverse-1.6894361

 

[Frankfooter]

Irgun were terrorists and opposed by mainstream zionist groups and when Israel was formed, Irgun was forcibly disarmed by the state.

But Irgun was formed in in 1931, after the anti-Jewish riots in 1919, 1920, and 1929.

Irgun became part of the Israeli government.
Menachem Begin was the leader of Irgun.

Menachem Begin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Frankfooter]

Actually, it's a huge piece of turf. It is historical proof showing how the UN works when there is actual apartheid. No such workings, meaning resolutions like #1761, have been passed against Israel. Deal with it.

As hard as you try, you cannot lie or divert your way around documented history. Based on your history, you'll probably try to tell us #1761 never really happened.

Shazi, can we take it from your posts that if the UN ever issues a resolution declaring Israel apartheid you will agree with them and cease supporting Israel?
Will you agree to this?

 

[Frankfooter]

That is conjecture, Genostradamus.

What is not conjecture is that no resolution of apartheid have been levied against Israel.

Not yet, Shazi.
How long do you think that will last?

Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid – UN human rights expert

GENEVA (25 March 2022) – A UN expert called today on the international community to accept and adopt the findings in his current report, echoing recent findings by Palestinian, Israeli and international human rights organisations, that apartheid is being practiced by Israel in the occupied...

www.ohchr.org

A Threshold Crossed

The 213-page report, “A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes of Apartheid and Persecution,” examines Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. It presents the present-day reality of a single authority, the Israeli government, ruling primarily over the area between the Jordan River and...

www.hrw.org

Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory illegal: UN rights commission

Israel’s occupation of Palestinian territory is unlawful under international law due to its permanence and the Israeli government’s de facto annexation policies, a UN-appointed Commission of Inquiry said in its first report, published on Thursday.

news.un.org

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/israels-55-year-occupation-of-palestinian-territory-is-apartheid-special-rapporteur-for-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-statement/

Rights expert finds ‘reasonable grounds’ genocide is being committed in Gaza

There are "reasonable grounds" to believe that Israel is committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, the UN Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territories said on Tuesday.

news.un.org

UN world court calls for prevention of genocidal acts in Gaza

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) on Friday declared that Palestinians had a right to be protected from acts of genocide, calling on Israel to “take all measures within its power” to prevent such actions and allow the entry of desperately needed humanitarian aid into the war-shattered...

news.un.org

 

[Frankfooter]

That's crap, brothers! The turf is ours by right, because it's our turn.

So if anyone takes your home they can declare its theirs by right, because its their turn?

 

[shack]

Not yet, Shazi.

Like I said, conjecture. As for now, nothing concrete.

 

[shack]

Shazi, can we take it from your posts that if the UN ever issues a resolution declaring Israel apartheid you will agree with them and cease supporting Israel?
Will you agree to this?

So we can tale it from your posts, with the multitude of "evidence" you have contributed to this point and what you claim the ICC and ICJ have already had for months, if the UN passes no resolution in the next 4-6 weeks you will admit that Israel is not an apartheid state.

 

[Frankfooter]

Like I said, conjecture. As for now, nothing concrete.

This is the route the UN should go.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741430849587839243

 

[Frankfooter]

So we can tale it from your posts, with the multitude of "evidence" you have contributed to this point and what you claim the ICC and ICJ have already had for months, if the UN passes no resolution in the next 4-6 weeks you will admit that Israel is not an apartheid state.

No, Shazi, I'm not putting a time limit on it.
I fully expect that Biden will live another 4-6 weeks and veto any such resolution.

Netanyahu?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1808076375250612710

 

[southpaw]

And that's what people do when they donate to AIPAC.

They can donate their money directly to Israel. What do they need AIPAC for?

 

[shack]

This is the route the UN should go.

That's the opinion of an individual. It proves nothing. No resolutions like #1761 have passed.

 

[shack]

They can donate their money directly to Israel. What do they need AIPAC for?

Silly question.

Why do people donate to the Cancer Society when they can give money directly to cancer patients? Because giving money to an organization ensures that the money can be used in a co-ordinated manner more efficiently. Regardless, people can donate their money wherever they want. AIPAC is a legal entity.

 

[shack]

No, Shazi, I'm not putting a time limit on it.
I fully expect that Biden will live another 4-6 weeks and veto any such resolution.

Genostradamus. LOL

 

[Klatuu]

He alwaaayys diverts when he's losing a debate. The only exception is when he chooses to just lie outright.

Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession.

 

[Klatuu]

Silly question.

Why do people donate to the Cancer Society when they can give money directly to cancer patients? Because giving money to an organization ensures that the money can be used in a co-ordinated manner more efficiently. Regardless, people can donate their money wherever they want. AIPAC is a legal entity.

I love how you equate donating to Israel to donating to cancer. Overdetermined.