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smuddan said:
The scapegoat syndrome exists everywhere in team sports. Disgruntled fans, with the push of attention seeking media, feel the need to scapegoat as a valve to vent their frustration on the team failures and their emotIonal Investments. In these fans’ minds they want to pick one individual player to drive out of town so to justify their self acclaimed superior knowledge in finding answers to the team improvement.

Unfortunately in Leafs’ history, scapegoating has never helped the team. Driving Murphy and Kadri out of town only helped these players to win the cups somewhere else. It looks as though Marner is going to be next.
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And the fan favourites they keep usually become dead weight for the team.
 
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chuckertmg said:
He's an unrestricted free agent on Monday so this is gonna be interesting.
Dallas was going to let him walk away so the Leafs gave up Max Ellis and a late draft pick for a day and a half of negotiation.
Did they grab his rights so they could negotiate a longer term contract? He's turning 35 this year.
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Would they have been allowed to have any contact with him prior to see if would have any interest in joining the Leafs without talking numbers?
 
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shack said:
Would they have been allowed to have any contact with him prior to see if would have any interest in joining the Leafs without talking numbers?
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My understanding when it comes to free agency is that teams are allowed to negotiate with pending free agents 48 hours in advance for NHL and NBA players and 72 hours for NFL players. I might be wrong though.
 
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chuckertmg said:
He's an unrestricted free agent on Monday so this is gonna be interesting.
Dallas was going to let him walk away so the Leafs gave up Max Ellis and a late draft pick for a day and a half of negotiation.
Did they grab his rights so they could negotiate a longer term contract? He's turning 35 this year.
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Head scratcher just like all of Treliving's draft day trades.
 
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roddermac said:
My understanding when it comes to free agency is that teams are allowed to negotiate with pending free agents 48 hours in advance for NHL and NBA players and 72 hours for NFL players. I might be wrong though.
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So, it's not unreasonable to think both parties expressed a mutual interest prior to the trade.
 
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shack said:
So, it's not unreasonable to think both parties expressed a mutual interest prior to the trade.
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In that situation the Leafs wouldn't need to trade assets though, they'd just wait till Monday.

The only advantage the Leafs gain from this is that if they have his rights they can negotiate a contract over 7 years; if they sign him as an UFA it would have to be a much shorter term.

So it looks like they'll offer him a much lower AAV over 7 years - if they pay him the going rate over a shorter term they couldn't fit him under the cap.

Likely he'll be under contract to age 41 or 42 then just place him on LTIR when his performance falls off a cliff; or do a Patrick Marleau-type trade where they give up draft picks to have another team swallow his contract.
 
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His age and the reported length of the contract are imo big worries. I hope this is not because it’s the last kick of the can for both Shanahan and Treliving and to keep their jobs that they’re willing to set the franchise back for years just to get past the first playoff round,
 
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smuddan said:
His age and the reported length of the contract are imo big worries. I hope this is not because it’s the last kick of the can for both Shanahan and Treliving and to keep their jobs that they’re willing to set the franchise back for years just to get past the first playoff round,
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It's the Maple Leafs. Since when should we be worried about them giving out bad contracts.
 
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mitchell76 said:
Marner's a poor playoff performer!! Also, Leafs have no intention of extending Marner's contract. Leafs might as well get rid of Marner sometime this yr, before Marner's contract expires, and the Leafs wind up getting nothing for him, in return!!
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The Leafs plan to sign Marner to trade him, it's easier to trade a player with a contract. No team wants a player with an expiring contract. This avoids Marner walking to free agency without the Leafs getting something in return via trade. The Leafs aren't getting rid of Marner just because.
 
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People want to get rid of Marner because he's not good, but they want the Leafs to trade him and get a ton of talent or prospects in return. Something conflicting about that logic.
 
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