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The scapegoat syndrome exists everywhere in team sports. Disgruntled fans, with the push of attention seeking media, feel the need to scapegoat as a valve to vent their frustration on the team failures and their emotIonal Investments. In these fans’ minds they want to pick one individual player to drive out of town so to justify their self acclaimed superior knowledge in finding answers to the team improvement.

Unfortunately in Leafs’ history, scapegoating has never helped the team. Driving Murphy and Kadri out of town only helped these players to win the cups somewhere else. It looks as though Marner is going to be next.
 
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smuddan said:
The scapegoat syndrome exists everywhere in team sports. Disgruntled fans, with the push of attention seeking media, feel the need to scapegoat as a valve to vent their frustration on the team failures and their emotIonal Investments. In these fans’ minds they want to pick one individual player to drive out of town so to justify their self acclaimed superior knowledge in finding answers to the team improvement.

Unfortunately in Leafs’ history, scapegoating has never helped the team. Driving Murphy and Kadri out of town only helped these players to win the cups somewhere else. It looks as though Marner is going to be next.
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IMHO, to sign Marner to an 8 yr extension, would be ridiculous!!
 
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mitchell76 said:
IMHO, to sign Marner to an 8 yr extension, would be ridiculous!!
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I don’t for one second believe that. It’s more like whoever suggested that was merely playing tricks on the minds of the Marner haters like they’re little kids.

Assuming Leafs management wanting to get rid of Marner just as bad as you and shack do, I’d think they need to be very carful in how they get about doing it for two reasons:

1) making life miserable for Marner to force him to waive his no trade is not an act of good faith; it would give the Leafs a bad reputation and make it an undesirable destination for future ufa’s. It would also create a chaotic lock room environment. The first mistake was made when they put this core together and the second mistake was they missed the chance to trade Marner last year before his no trade kicked in; and

2) they’ll get fleeced just as badly as they did with the Murphy and Kadri trades in any trade scenarios as Marner’s trade value is probably at the lowest now. With his most recent poor playoff performance why would any contending team give up significant value to get him ? For rebuilding teams they can wait till he’s a ufa if they do want him. Marner is still a point per game player and they’ll not get anything close in return.

The Leafs’ playoff failures run deeper than just Marner under performing. From goaltending to defence to specialty teams to coaching to core player performance, they were inferior to their opponents. Merely getting rid of Marner does not solve all problems and could be a case of jumping out of a frying pan into the fire.
 
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smuddan said:
I don’t for one second believe that. It’s more like whoever suggested that was merely playing tricks on the minds of the Marner haters like they’re little kids.

Assuming Leafs management wanting to get rid of Marner just as bad as you and shack do, I’d think they need to be very carful in how they get about doing it for two reasons:

1) making life miserable for Marner to force him to waive his no trade is not an act of good faith; it would give the Leafs a bad reputation and make it an undesirable destination for future ufa’s. It would also create a chaotic lock room environment. The first mistake was made when they put this core together and the second mistake was they missed the chance to trade Marner last year before his no trade kicked in; and

2) they’ll get fleeced just as badly as they did with the Murphy and Kadri trades in any trade scenarios as Marner’s trade value is probably at the lowest now. With his most recent poor playoff performance why would any contending team give up significant value to get him ? For rebuilding teams they can wait till he’s a ufa if they do want him. Marner is still a point per game player and they’ll not get anything close in return.

The Leafs’ playoff failures run deeper than just Marner under performing. From goaltending to defence to specialty teams to coaching to core player performance, they were inferior to their opponents. Merely getting rid of Marner does not solve all problems and could be a case of jumping out of a frying pan into the fire.
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So worst case scenario. Let Marner play out this coming season, due to Marner's no move clause. Then get rid of Marner next season for nothing, and open up cap space. Marner's a "playoff disaster", and the Leafs need to get rid of him!!
 
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mitchell76 said:
So worst case scenario. Let Marner play out this coming season, due to Marner's no move clause. Then get rid of Marner next season for nothing, and open up cap space. Marner's a "playoff disaster", and the Leafs need to get rid of him!!
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If you take a look at the list of potential unrestricted free agents coming up in 2025, you’ll see a huge list of impactful players, probably the most extensive list in the history of ufas. The Leafs will be wise to position themselves with as much cap room as possible so they can go after whoever they think can make them better. Other teams are also thinking the same way and that’s why I don’t think any team would give up much to get Marner now.

Marner had had good playoff performances and with a new coaching staff, it may be worth the while to see what transpires. Again they need improvements in a lot of areas and most significantly they need a heathy Woll as their no. 1 goaltender as I don’t think they can acquire anyone better through acquisitions.
 
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smuddan said:
If you take a look at the list of potential unrestricted free agents coming up in 2025, you’ll see a huge list of impactful players, probably the most extensive list in the history of ufas. The Leafs will be wise to position themselves with as much cap room as possible so they can go after whoever they think can make them better. Other teams are also thinking the same way and that’s why I don’t think any team would give up much to get Marner now.

Marner had had good playoff performances and with a new coaching staff, it may be worth the while to see what transpires. Again they need improvements in a lot of areas and most significantly they need a heathy Woll as their no. 1 goaltender as I don’t think they can acquire anyone better through acquisitions.
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I think the Leafs will be wise not to sign Marner to an 8yr extension.....LMAO
 
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smuddan said:
I don’t for one second believe that. It’s more like whoever suggested that was merely playing tricks on the minds of the Marner haters like they’re little kids.

Assuming Leafs management wanting to get rid of Marner just as bad as you and shack do, I’d think they need to be very carful in how they get about doing it for two reasons:

1) making life miserable for Marner to force him to waive his no trade is not an act of good faith; it would give the Leafs a bad reputation and make it an undesirable destination for future ufa’s. It would also create a chaotic lock room environment. The first mistake was made when they put this core together and the second mistake was they missed the chance to trade Marner last year before his no trade kicked in; and

2) they’ll get fleeced just as badly as they did with the Murphy and Kadri trades in any trade scenarios as Marner’s trade value is probably at the lowest now. With his most recent poor playoff performance why would any contending team give up significant value to get him ? For rebuilding teams they can wait till he’s a ufa if they do want him. Marner is still a point per game player and they’ll not get anything close in return.

The Leafs’ playoff failures run deeper than just Marner under performing. From goaltending to defence to specialty teams to coaching to core player performance, they were inferior to their opponents. Merely getting rid of Marner does not solve all problems and could be a case of jumping out of a frying pan into the fire.
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So many errors in there. I'll address just one.

If the fans at the rink, or about town, give Marner a hard time, how is that a bad reflection on the Leafs as an organization? And don't dismiss the fact that, as was demonstrated on the bench during a game, Marner clearly has lost at least some respect of his teammates, including Matthews. And that was before that overtime goal.
 
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shack said:
So many errors in there. I'll address just one.

If the fans at the rink, or about town, give Marner a hard time, how is that a bad reflection on the Leafs as an organization? And don't dismiss the fact that, as was demonstrated on the bench during a game, Marner clearly has lost at least some respect of his teammates, including Matthews. And that was before that overtime goal.
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That’s Some kind of arrogance that any opinions you don’t agree with are “ errors “.

Keep repeating your opinions and assumptions doesn’t make them facts. You have no clues as to exactly what were said and no proof to back up your assumptions that “Marner clearly lost some respect ofhis teammates including Matthews”;

and where in my post did I refer to fan booing ? Read my post again and you’ll understand that my “making life miserable “ comments were confined to possible Leaf management actions if they wanted to force Marner to waive his no trade protection.
 
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Elliotte Friedman reporting that he's heard Domi's camp is asking for a 4 year deal at $4 million per year.
 
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smuddan said:
The scapegoat syndrome exists everywhere in team sports. Disgruntled fans, with the push of attention seeking media, feel the need to scapegoat as a valve to vent their frustration on the team failures and their emotIonal Investments. In these fans’ minds they want to pick one individual player to drive out of town so to justify their self acclaimed superior knowledge in finding answers to the team improvement.

Unfortunately in Leafs’ history, scapegoating has never helped the team. Driving Murphy and Kadri out of town only helped these players to win the cups somewhere else. It looks as though Marner is going to be next.
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And the fan favourites they keep usually become dead weight for the team.
 
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He's an unrestricted free agent on Monday so this is gonna be interesting.
Dallas was going to let him walk away so the Leafs gave up Max Ellis and a late draft pick for a day and a half of negotiation.
Did they grab his rights so they could negotiate a longer term contract? He's turning 35 this year.
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Would they have been allowed to have any contact with him prior to see if would have any interest in joining the Leafs without talking numbers?
 
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shack said:
Would they have been allowed to have any contact with him prior to see if would have any interest in joining the Leafs without talking numbers?
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My understanding when it comes to free agency is that teams are allowed to negotiate with pending free agents 48 hours in advance for NHL and NBA players and 72 hours for NFL players. I might be wrong though.
 
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chuckertmg said:
He's an unrestricted free agent on Monday so this is gonna be interesting.
Dallas was going to let him walk away so the Leafs gave up Max Ellis and a late draft pick for a day and a half of negotiation.
Did they grab his rights so they could negotiate a longer term contract? He's turning 35 this year.
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Head scratcher just like all of Treliving's draft day trades.
 
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