Israel at war

[richaceg]

I will stop reading your post right here because you start off with factually incorrect statements. Yes it is occupation because all the settlements in the west bank are ILLEGAL per international law. So yes, it is occupation. And Israel is documented as an apartheid state. Read a history book or two Rich.

Wrong again...too many fumbles...no evidences...yes, stop reading the post...you know you wouldn't like it..There is no justification for Hamas...and no condemnation of Hamas even though identified as terrorists...LoL...ok...

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Almost all countries in Africa, South America and Asia are infact democracies

Nope. The vast majority of countries in Africa, Asia and South-America are either Authoritarian regimes (AKA dictatorships), flawed democracies or hybrid regimes.
I probably wont need to point out to you what the colour red means in that graph.

See legend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index

 

[shack]

How have I admitted and how can my criticism of Israel be more disproportionate than that of Israel when I have already said in my statement above that Israel's response is unhinged and disproportionate?

We're talking numbers here. It's quantitative not qualitative.

If Hamas slaughtered 1,200 innocent civilian music lovers and there have been 20,000 Gazans killed (according to revised estimates issued just this week by the UN) that works out to a proportion slightly under 17:1. You have criticized Israel more than Hamas in, easily, more than 20X of your posts. It's probably 50:1 in your case.

THIS is how your criticism is vastly more disproportionate.

Clearly you didn't understand what I meant when I said proportionate, but I don't mind helping you when I am able.

 

[Klatuu]

Yes. The egregiousness and stupidity of the lies and misinformation that TERB's KKK think they can get away with is mind-numbingly embarrassing.

Deflection

 

[Klatuu]

So you've now admitted that your response is more disproportionate than of Israel, yet still declare that you've condemned Hamas enough. This in light of your statement that you can't condemn Hamas without condemning Israel but the reverse is perfectly fine. Your bias is egregious meaning it is based on the hatred of Jews that was pre-existent of the current conflict.

Bizarre. Illogical.

 

[richaceg]

Incoherent umbo jumbo once proven wrong lol.

That is the democracy index. That speaks to the quality of democracy (as adjudged by western standards and therefore subject to western cultural bias). Not the system of governance. So countries marked as a Hybrid regime for example, are still democratic. For example Ukraine and Bangladesh are considered Hybrid, but they are still democracies.

Also as I stated, democracies dont mean much. They are just as capable, willing and infact do, uncivilized things often. The US and Israel being 2 examples.

proven wrong? you had no evidence...or should we just take y our word for all your claims...genocide? apartheid? ZERO evidence... go back to school...you can't even back your claim that Hamas only happened because of occupation...The occupation you claim was 75 years old...pick your dates...go on...

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

So countries marked as a Hybrid regime for example, are still democratic. For example Ukraine and Bangladesh are considered Hybrid, but they are still democracies

They are not truly democratic when they experience political repression:

Hybrid regime - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Political repression - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, you said the majority of African countries are democratic. The complete opposite is true.
The majority of African countries are authoritarian regimes with rigged elections

How African presidents rig elections to stay in office

There are at least 19 African countries where the heads-of-state have overstayed beyond their term limits via (un)constitutional revisions: Algeria,

blog.oup.com

 

[shack]

Well there is something we can agree on!

Yes, we agree that sHACK is lame and shack of sit is better. (BTW sHACK is still better than Geno's hammy, which is cringe-worthy lame) I have said many, many times that we must always be open-minded and assess positions on a case by case basis. No one side or individual is always right, or always wrong. Give credit where credit is due.

I just showed that I practise what I preach.

 

[shack]

Given that Israel has killed about 45,000 people and Hamas about 600-700 there should be about 600x the posts criticizing Israel, hammy.

The UN has reassessed those estimates and halved the amounts just this week. But you already knew that, didn't you, Geno.

 

[shack]

Given that Israel has killed about 45,000 people and Hamas about 600-700 there should be about 600x the posts criticizing Israel, hammy.

As well, you shouldn't try doing math in your head. It's clearly beyond your capabilities.

It would only be 60X, even with you ignoring the numbers used by the UN and using these false ones. Hamas doesn't count very well, either.

 

[Frankfooter]

Frankfooter said:
The ICC charges against Netanyahu and his time are likely coming out this week.

OK Geno. It's early Friday evening in Europe and the middle east. How many times can you possibly be wrong without having a single solitary correct prediction. How "likely" are we at now? What does Vegas say?

When I call you Geno and the boy who cried wolf, I could not be more correct. Be a mensch and try and save one scintilla of your credibility and admit that this prediction was WRONG.

Hey, so the court is always slower than I think its going to be.
You think that means no charges are coming?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791290523841421758

 

[shack]

I was talking about the actual countries, not population calculated from each individual country
(which is meaningless.....).

Phil, he likes using the word irrelevant better.

 

[Frankfooter]

As well, you shouldn't try doing math in your head. It's clearly beyond your capabilities.

It would only be 60X, even with you ignoring the numbers used by the UN and using these false ones. Hamas doesn't count very well, either.

Ok, we both agree, Israel are 60x the terrorists as Hamas.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Being a democracy isnt an automatic blank check to more credibility

Most rational people would disagree with that

 

[shack]

Hey, so the court is always slower than I think its going to be.

At least you admit that you are prone to not thinking things through. Kinda like Hamas on Oct.7.

Do you think that Hamas thought through all of the ramifications of their attack.

You think that means no charges are coming?

I rarely make predictions on any topic. You keeping proving over and over and over again, what a foolish strategy that is. You just keep embarrassing yourself every time, Genostradamus

 

[richaceg]

The US is adjudged a flawed democracy as well. So they are not fully democratic either. The index means nothing. It is a western commentary on the quality of democracy in various nations. They consider India "autocratizing". Meanwhile India has a election showing of 70%, one of the highest in the world and they elect Modi and cheer for him. So is the index accurate? No it is not. Also as I said being a democracy isnt an automatic blank check to more credibility. There are many countries like Bhutan that are absolute monarchies but dont even have an army and are some of the most peaceful. While countries like Israel and the US are some of the most violent.

No they did not.

"No, the UN Did NOT Halve the Number of Dead in Gaza": Mehdi Debunks the Latest Genocide Denial

Israeli settlements are illegal per international law. Go look it up. Your incoherent uninformed ramblings deserve no further response.

You never proved anything....and still haven't explained why Hamas atrocities are justified....because of the wrong notion "apartheid" is happening without proof...

 

[shack]

45000/600 = 75. Not 60. Talk about wrong math. I thought it was just logic but you are weak in math too?

You know darn well that the UN halved the previous estimates just this week.

You have been using 35,000 deaths. Half of that is 17,500. The accepted number (not Hamas based) of Israelis killed by Hamas on Oct. 7 is 1,200. And that does not include the hostages, so you can can stop with the missing, homeless, hungry on the Pali side in your calculations. Apples to apples. Deaths.

So 1,200 to 17,500 is less than 15:1. The numbers prove you wrong every time.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

They wouldn't. The US is a democratic country, right? They have unlawfully invaded other countries, yes? They have committed atrocities everywhere, yes?

So has every other country on the planet (except for Iceland and Luxembourg)

 

[shack]

Ok, we both agree, Israel are 60x the terrorists as Hamas.

No. We agree that your numbers are incorrect as per UN estimates from this week.

But, if your numbers are correct of the size of the Israeli response, don't you think that Oct.7 was stupid?

 

[Frankfooter]

At least you admit that you are prone to not thinking things through. Kinda like Hamas on Oct.7.

Do you think that Hamas thought through all of the ramifications of their attack.

I rarely make predictions on any topic. You keeping proving over and over and over again, what a foolish strategy that is. You just keep embarrassing yourself every time, Genostradamus

Sure, hammy, you think you are very thoughtful.
Didn't you claim that Israel would get entirely rid of Hamas and get all the hostages back?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791199263776813254