Israel at war

[Leimonis]

Why doesn't Egypt allow them to go for a walk? They have lots and lots of room compared to Israel. They are fellow Arabs. It would be a humanitarian act.

AFAIK Egyptians consider themselves to be better than arabs.

 

[Klatuu]

Do you ever wonder why other posters find it difficult to exchange with you? It's like you don't know the basic rules of interpersonal communication. If someone asks you a question, either answer it or don't, but going off on some tangent accomplishes nothing.

Israel has no power to form a Palestinian state. It only has the power to assert and maintain its own statehood. Israel is not claiming sovereignty over Gaza or the West Bank. It's up to the Palestinians to have a Palestinian state recognized. Clearly, if they had the support of their Arab brethren, this would have been accomplished long ago. However, those Arab nations know what Israel also knows, the Palestinians are unfit to form a nation, and would be poor neighbors to have in the region. While that may not be enough reason to refuse to recognize a state, it's more than enough to refuse to help them achieve statehood.


If the "poor people" elected the outlaw as their Sheriff, and follow his instructions, including to act as body shields in any gunfight, and to go out to neighboring towns to raid, kill, and create mayhem, it is inevitable that some of the Sheriff's accomplices will be hurt and even killed when the Sheriff comes to round up the Outlaw. Like they say, elections have consequences.

Uninformed

 

[Klatuu]

When Israel was not restricting cargo, Gazans were firing rockets into Israel at will. Despite the restrictions, Hamas continues to be supplied with arms (that's how desperate they are to attack Israeli civilians).

What should Israel have done instead - occupied Gaza and ran their customs offices for them?

Your complaint is a tired one, and frankly, rather stupid. If a trigger-happy outlaw lives on the outskirts of town, the least that the law can do is to make sure he's not armed.

Another planet

 

[Dutch Oven]

I am not obligated to answer questions. If I was answering your questions, I would have quoted your question to answer it. I instead quoted that last line that I had a comment to make and made a comment on it.

Weird.

Do you ever wonder why people ignore your posts? Because your posts are neither well thought through, nor in tune with reality. You should never begin a response with a personal attack or quip about someone's supposed character you have purported to deduce when you lack such connection with reality. That just tells me your argument is weak and you are trying to buttress your comment with a milld personal attack, to try and put someone on the backfoot.

Nonsense. You didn't ignore my post, and neither did others. I'm not interested in "attacking you". In all seriousness, I believe you need to be introduced to some well recognized principles of social interaction.

Now back to topic, I did not go off on a tangent, rather directly commented on your comment.

Thick, perhaps even impenetrable. You are a sloooooooow learner.

They do. And they are asserting sovereignty from the river to the sea. Likud Charter - "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." A Palestinian state cannot be formed without a) Israel handing back stolen lands and b) Working with the Palestinians to make that happen and most of all recognize Palestinian sovereignty.

Obvious points:
1. A party's charter is not a national mandate, except where a ruling party like Hamas IS the nation and is not subject to democratic re-election or political opposition.
2. As a matter of geography, Israel DOES extend from the river to the sea - not the entire river, and not the entire shoreline of the sea. It does extend from its border with Jordan to the sea. It also extends from its border with Syria to the sea. And what are the West Bank and Gaza? Nothing, at the moment. TBD. Israel does not claim sovereignty over those areas.
3. There are no "stolen lands". There are some occupied lands. None of the occupied territories were under the sovereignty of a Palestinian nation. Complaining about Israel's relationship with Syria, or Lebanon, or Jordan is a red herring when it comes to claiming Palestinian sovereignty.

However, you know all this. You just find it convenient to ignore it.

Guilt by association is not a thing. Hence any actions against the poor people living under the Outlaw, is a crime against humanity, even if said poor people elect or cheer for the Outlaw for his attacks against the townspeople.

Nonsense. Depends on the form of association. Surely all bikers in a criminal biker club bear some moral responsibility for the actions of that organization. Surely all members of the Mafia bear some moral responsibility for the activities of their criminal organization. You're trying to claim that Palestinians who are not formally members of Hamas bear no responsibility for their election, support, and assistance to Hamas. That simply is not true.

Now, there will be citizens who are completely innocent of Hamas' crimes, and even openly oppose Hamas, who will be harmed in the crossfire of this war. Tragic, but unavoidable consequences of war.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

None of that is an opportunity to succeed when they are locked in an open air prison, in a land, air and sea blockade

Thats only partially true.
Israel did allow regular supplies to get through to Gaza, just not military supplies.

Also people were allowed to leave and enter Gaza, but the visa waiting period was very long.
I read somewhere between 6-12 months

Israel is an occupier who needs to give back the lands they have taken, and let Palestine form a sovereign nation

Israel did give them full autonomy over Gaza. And look what happened

 

[Dutch Oven]

Another planet

Ironic, especially from a poster named Klatuu!

What do you think you and your colleague the Great Slow Learner have accomplished with your "information" and "education"? I'll tell you. Nothing. That's because there's a difference between an argument and a persuasive argument, and you haven't offered any of the latter.

 

[Leimonis]

Thats only partially true.
Israel did allow regular supplies to get through to Gaza, just not military supplies.

Israel did give them full autonomy over Gaza. And look what happened

Believing that allowing weapons into gaza or even West Bank would not lead to genocide of Jews from the river to the sea is just plainly idiotic

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Believing that allowing weapons into gaza or even West Bank would not lead to genocide of Jews from the river to the sea is just plainly idiotic

If Gaza laid down their weapons there would be peace.
If Israel laid down their weapons there'd be no more Israel

 

[Klatuu]

Thats only partially true.
Israel did allow regular supplies to get through to Gaza, just not military supplies.

Also people were allowed to leave and enter Gaza, but the visa waiting period was very long.
I read somewhere between 6-12 months


Israel did give them full autonomy over Gaza. And look what happened

Delusional

 

[Klatuu]

If Gaza laid down their weapons there would be peace.
If Israel laid down their weapons there'd be no more Israel

Deep Thoughts brought to you by Cliches R Us

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780290001122594883

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780290001122594883

Black panthers??

 

[Klatuu]

Fallout from Iran’s response

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780172608430088468

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780205321975120034

 

[Butler1000]

None of that is an opportunity to succeed when they are locked in an open air prison, in a land, air and sea blockade. Israel is no one to give them opportunities. Israel is an occupier who needs to give back the lands they have taken, and let Palestine form a sovereign nation. If Palestine wants to be an underdeveloped Islamic state like Iraq, then so be it. That is their choice. But none of their backwardness - be it cultural or economic, justifies brutalizing them the way Israel has for the last 75 years. Their brutalization by a foreign power is their 75 year history.

They have had numerous chance. They failed to capitalize on them.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

If Israel gave Palestinians the entire West Bank it would just be a matter of time until the terrorists arm of the Palestine State started terrorist attacks against Israel again. Then Israel would have to invade the West Bank again, rout them all out, and the Palestinians would cry "genocide" again.

You cant make peace with these people. You have to either contain them, or destroy them

 

[Leimonis]

If Israel gave Palestinians the entire West Bank it would just be a matter of time until the terrorists arm of the Palestine State started terrorist attacks against Israel again. Then Israel would have to invade the West Bank again, rout them all out, and the Palestinians would cry "genocide" again.

You cant make peace with these people. You have to either contain them, or destroy them

they literally tell the world that they want it all from the river to the sea and useful idiots pretend that they don't hear it

 

[Klatuu]

Rascism has always been an epidemic for Ziontologists.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780223404668325901

 

[Leimonis]

meanwhile House approves resolution condemning Palestinian rallying cry as antisemitic

House approves resolution condemning Palestinian rallying cry as antisemitic

The House on Tuesday adopted a resolution condemning as antisemitic the phrase “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free,” a Palestinian rallying cry. The chamber voted 377-44-1 on the mea…

thehill.com

 

[Klatuu]

Terrified of dissent. Terrified of ideas. What little people.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1780290273957830863