He said give Palestinians equal rights. Not Hamas. Why are you equating Hamas with Palestinians? How can we then believe your earlier statement that you were only referring to Hamas?
Israel at war
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Church bishop criticizes Islam, and in turn muslim stabs bishop to show how peaceful Islam really is
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learn English, read it again, then get back to me...don't just ramble around something obviously you didn't get...
I did. He said verbatim "give Palestinians equal rights". So the question stands.
no it doesn't...stay out of the conversation if you didn't understand what i said.
Its more than just Hamas. They are just the latest. 1970's organized plane hijackings from Jordan, killed Anwar Sadat for a peace treaty with Israel. Supported Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Turned down repeated peace attempts. Engaged in numerous localized terror attacks.
They are a walking history of terrorist supporters and derailers of peace. Even with other Arab nations. A failed people.
That's why so many just quietly wish they would go away.
UN commission accuses Israel of obstructing Oct. 7 probe
Chris Sidoti, one of the members of the commission said they saw "active obstruction" by Israel "of our efforts to receive evidence from Israeli witnesses and victims."
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Why doesn't Egypt allow them to go for a walk? They have lots and lots of room compared to Israel. They are fellow Arabs. It would be a humanitarian act.
Those are individual groups. Israel has similar individuals and groups too who have disrupted peace and engaged and continue to engage in terrorism against the Palestinians - remember how Rabin was shot down? Remember how settlers engage in terror attacks against Palestinians?
But Frank's comments referred to giving Palestinians equal rights. They are a failed people because they have not been allowed to succeed because their success is considered a threat to the Zionist entity and therefore the Israeli state has done everything in its power to disrupt peace and discredit Palestinian statehood. We should be focused on criticizing Zionism that has led to such violence. It is they who are solely responsible.
1999 they signed a deal eith an oil company to access 1/2 TRILLION in natural gas off the coast of Gaza. And did nothing with it. They have continually recieved aid, incentives, and opportunities to succeed. And instead chose terror. That is their 75 year history.
None of that is an opportunity to succeed when they are locked in an open air prison, in a land, air and sea blockade. Israel is no one to give them opportunities. Israel is an occupier who needs to give back the lands they have taken, and let Palestine form a sovereign nation. If Palestine wants to be an underdeveloped Islamic state like Iraq, then so be it. That is their choice. But none of their backwardness - be it cultural or economic, justifies brutalizing them the way Israel has for the last 75 years. Their brutalization by a foreign power is their 75 year history.
When Israel was not restricting cargo, Gazans were firing rockets into Israel at will. Despite the restrictions, Hamas continues to be supplied with arms (that's how desperate they are to attack Israeli civilians).
What should Israel have done instead - occupied Gaza and ran their customs offices for them?
Your complaint is a tired one, and frankly, rather stupid. If a trigger-happy outlaw lives on the outskirts of town, the least that the law can do is to make sure he's not armed.
Why did the Sheriff of the town physically ferry 100s of millions of dollars, to the outlaws on the outskirts, and even provide security for the same, then? Because if they were kept as outlaws, they wouldn't ever be able to come into town and live as normal townspeople, that's why. Given you dont consider this in your argument, your complaint about Hamas is tired and rather silly.
Israel drove suitcases stuffed with cash into Gaza to keep Hamas in power: NYT
Israeli security officials would escort Qatari representatives into Gaza to deliver the cash to Hamas, the New York Times reported.
Are you trying to answer my question? It's hard to tell. Maybe you are suggesting that the sheriff should have just shot the outlaw instead (you can't be so stupid as to think the Sherriff should just have let the outlaw have free run of the town!). In which case, while overdue, you're now getting your wish.
Of course I am responding to your posts, because I quoted you lol. No I did not answer your question on what Israel should have done, I was responding to that last line. What Israel should have done is to go back to the 1967 borders, and help form a sovereign Palestinians state putting an end to the conflict.
Now back to what I was saying - I would have no problem if the Sheriff shot the outlaw, instead of the poor people living under the outlaws. But if the Sheriff ferried cash to the outlaws, made them rich, and then started killing the people who live under the outlaws then that is a crime against humanity - and in the case of Gaza - genocide against the Palestinians.
Do you ever wonder why other posters find it difficult to exchange with you? It's like you don't know the basic rules of interpersonal communication. If someone asks you a question, either answer it or don't, but going off on some tangent accomplishes nothing.
Israel has no power to form a Palestinian state. It only has the power to assert and maintain its own statehood. Israel is not claiming sovereignty over Gaza or the West Bank. It's up to the Palestinians to have a Palestinian state recognized. Clearly, if they had the support of their Arab brethren, this would have been accomplished long ago. However, those Arab nations know what Israel also knows, the Palestinians are unfit to form a nation, and would be poor neighbors to have in the region. While that may not be enough reason to refuse to recognize a state, it's more than enough to refuse to help them achieve statehood.
If the "poor people" elected the outlaw as their Sheriff, and follow his instructions, including to act as body shields in any gunfight, and to go out to neighboring towns to raid, kill, and create mayhem, it is inevitable that some of the Sheriff's accomplices will be hurt and even killed when the Sheriff comes to round up the Outlaw. Like they say, elections have consequences.
I am not obligated to answer questions. If I was answering your questions, I would have quoted your question to answer it. I instead quoted that last line that I had a comment to make and made a comment on it.
Do you ever wonder why people ignore your posts? Because your posts are neither well thought through, nor in tune with reality. You should also never begin a response with a personal attack or quip about someone's supposed character you have purported to deduce when you lack such connection with reality. That just tells me your argument is weak and you are trying to buttress your comment with a milld personal attack, to try and put someone on the backfoot.
Now back to topic, I did not go off on a tangent, rather directly commented on your comment.
They do. And they are asserting sovereignty from the river to the sea. Likud Charter - "between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." A Palestinian state cannot be formed without a) Israel handing back stolen lands and b) Working with the Palestinians to make that happen and most of all recognize Palestinian sovereignty.
Guilt by association is not a thing. Hence any actions against the poor people living under the Outlaw, is a crime against humanity, even if said poor people elect or cheer for the Outlaw for his attacks against the townspeople.
This will be my last post to you, as I have said what I wanted to say and as it has been my experience from past exchanges, further engagement will not be productive.
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