Israel at war

Leimonis

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Israel is dropping leaflets telling the inhabitants of Raffa to leave before imminent attack. lol. Like they've got somewhere to go.
The weather is nice there. Would you rather go for a long walk or be bombed?
 

richaceg

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Israel is dropping leaflets telling the inhabitants of Raffa to leave before imminent attack. lol. Like they've got somewhere to go.
Well maybe it's time for the Palestinians to get rid of hamas, oh wait...they can't...elections are no longer an option....
 
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Frankfooter

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Well maybe it's time for the Palestinians to get rid of hamas, oh wait...they can't...elections are no longer an option....
Maybe its time for Israel to end the occupation and give Palestinians equal rights.
Right wingers are always against equal rights, it seems.
 

richaceg

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Maybe its time for Israel to end the occupation and give Palestinians equal rights.
Right wingers are always against equal rights, it seems.
Hamas don't want equal rights....they took every Palestinian s right to vote.....when was the last time the Palestinians had an election?
 
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richaceg

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He said give Palestinians equal rights. Not Hamas. Why are you equating Hamas with Palestinians? How can we then believe your earlier statement that you were only referring to Hamas?
learn English, read it again, then get back to me...don't just ramble around something obviously you didn't get...
 

Butler1000

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He said give Palestinians equal rights. Not Hamas. Why are you equating Hamas with Palestinians? How can we then believe your earlier statement that you were only referring to Hamas?
Its more than just Hamas. They are just the latest. 1970's organized plane hijackings from Jordan, killed Anwar Sadat for a peace treaty with Israel. Supported Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. Turned down repeated peace attempts. Engaged in numerous localized terror attacks.

They are a walking history of terrorist supporters and derailers of peace. Even with other Arab nations. A failed people.

That's why so many just quietly wish they would go away.
 
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shack

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Time for them to tear down the walls around Gaza so they can go for a longer walk.
Why doesn't Egypt allow them to go for a walk? They have lots and lots of room compared to Israel. They are fellow Arabs. It would be a humanitarian act.
 

Butler1000

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Those are individual groups. Israel has similar individuals and groups too who have disrupted peace and engaged and continue to engage in terrorism against the Palestinians - remember how Rabin was shot down? Remember how settlers engage in terror attacks against Palestinians?

But Frank's comments referred to giving Palestinians equal rights. They are a failed people because they have not been allowed to succeed because their success is considered a threat to the Zionist entity and therefore the Israeli state has done everything in its power to disrupt peace and discredit Palestinian statehood. We should be focused on criticizing Zionism that has led to such violence. It is they who are solely responsible.
1999 they signed a deal eith an oil company to access 1/2 TRILLION in natural gas off the coast of Gaza. And did nothing with it. They have continually recieved aid, incentives, and opportunities to succeed. And instead chose terror. That is their 75 year history.
 

Dutch Oven

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open air prison, in a land, air and sea blockade.
When Israel was not restricting cargo, Gazans were firing rockets into Israel at will. Despite the restrictions, Hamas continues to be supplied with arms (that's how desperate they are to attack Israeli civilians).

What should Israel have done instead - occupied Gaza and ran their customs offices for them?

Your complaint is a tired one, and frankly, rather stupid. If a trigger-happy outlaw lives on the outskirts of town, the least that the law can do is to make sure he's not armed.
 

Dutch Oven

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Why did the Sheriff of the town physically ferry 100s of millions of dollars, to the outlaws on the outskirts, and even provide security for the same, then? Because if they were kept as outlaws, they wouldn't ever be able to come into town and live as normal townspeople, that's why. Given you dont consider this in your argument, your complaint about Hamas is tired and rather silly.
Are you trying to answer my question? It's hard to tell. Maybe you are suggesting that the sheriff should have just shot the outlaw instead (you can't be so stupid as to think the Sherriff should just have let the outlaw have free run of the town!). In which case, while overdue, you're now getting your wish.
 

Dutch Oven

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Of course I am responding to your posts, because I quoted you lol. No I did not answer your question on what Israel should have done, I was responding to that last line. What Israel should have done is to go back to the 1967 borders, and help form a sovereign Palestinians state putting an end to the conflict.
Do you ever wonder why other posters find it difficult to exchange with you? It's like you don't know the basic rules of interpersonal communication. If someone asks you a question, either answer it or don't, but going off on some tangent accomplishes nothing.

Israel has no power to form a Palestinian state. It only has the power to assert and maintain its own statehood. Israel is not claiming sovereignty over Gaza or the West Bank. It's up to the Palestinians to have a Palestinian state recognized. Clearly, if they had the support of their Arab brethren, this would have been accomplished long ago. However, those Arab nations know what Israel also knows, the Palestinians are unfit to form a nation, and would be poor neighbors to have in the region. While that may not be enough reason to refuse to recognize a state, it's more than enough to refuse to help them achieve statehood.

Now back to what I was saying - I would have no problem if the Sheriff shot the outlaw, instead of the poor people living under the outlaws. But if the Sheriff ferried cash to the outlaws, made them rich, and then started killing the people who live under the outlaws then that is a crime against humanity - and in the case of Gaza - genocide against the Palestinians.
If the "poor people" elected the outlaw as their Sheriff, and follow his instructions, including to act as body shields in any gunfight, and to go out to neighboring towns to raid, kill, and create mayhem, it is inevitable that some of the Sheriff's accomplices will be hurt and even killed when the Sheriff comes to round up the Outlaw. Like they say, elections have consequences.
 
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