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shack

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I've condemned Hamas enough already in this very thread, especially after the October 7 attack. Go back and read my posts. Infact, for the first 2 to 3 weeks I supported the attack on Gaza and subsequently changed my mind as I realized that Israel was going too far (and also because I read up on International Humanitarian Law and realized what I was supporting was actually a war crime). Right now, at this very moment, the only party that is engaged in terrorism against civilians is Israel. Heck, Israelis themselves are sick of Bibi and his tactics.
Your posting history would show more disproportionality against Israel vs. Hamas than that of the number of Israeli casualties on Oct.7 and the number of subsequent Gazan casualties.
 

richaceg

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I've condemned Hamas enough already in this very thread, especially after the October 7 attack. Go back and read my posts. Infact, for the first 2 to 3 weeks I supported the attack on Gaza and subsequently changed my mind as I realized that Israel was going too far (and also because I read up on International Humanitarian Law and realized what I was supporting was actually a war crime). Right now, at this very moment, the only party that is engaged in terrorism against civilians is Israel. Heck, Israelis themselves are sick of Bibi and his tactics.
You condemned them? You even justified that hamas only done it because of the occupation and apartheid... tell me it's not true.
 

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Frankfooter said:
The ICC charges against Netanyahu and his time are likely coming out this week.

OK Geno. It's early Friday evening in Europe and the middle east. I did a cursory search but found no charges. Maybe I missed them. If not, how many times can you possibly be wrong without having a single solitary correct prediction. How "likely" are we at now? What does Vegas say?

When I call you Geno and the boy who cried wolf, I could not be more correct. Be a mensch and try and save one scintilla of your credibility and admit that this prediction was WRONG.
 
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shack

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Blame that on Israel's disproportional and unhinged response that does absolutely nothing for either Israelis or the Palestinians.
So you've now admitted that your response is more disproportionate than of Israel, yet still declare that you've condemned Hamas enough. This in light of your statement that you can't condemn Hamas without condemning Israel but the reverse is perfectly fine. Your bias is egregious meaning it is based on the hatred of Jews that was pre-existent of the current conflict.
 

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Whether or not Hamas has done anything for anybody,
Are you saying that anything that Hamas may have done, is irrelevant to any analysis of the conflict? Just like frank is now known as Geno for his fequent accusations supporting genocide, your use of irrelevant would make IRV a good nickname for you.
 

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Your posting history would show more disproportionality against Israel vs. Hamas than that of the number of Israeli casualties on Oct.7 and the number of subsequent Gazan casualties.
Given that Israel has killed about 45,000 people and Hamas about 600-700 there should be about 600x the posts criticizing Israel, hammy.
 

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Whether or not Hamas has done anything for anybody, as I mentioned before, Israel is the more guilty party of the two. Israel is the aggressor. Hamas is the responder to said aggression with their own brand of aggression.

You have to therefore condemn Israel first, because Hamas would not even exist without Israel. Israel helped create them via their oppression of the Palestinians and proceeded to nurture them for political gain.

Yes I condemned them. In this very thread. Go back and read my posts. And yes, it is a matter of acknowledged fact, that Hamas did what it did, because of the Israeli occupation, oppression and violence towards the Palestinians.
Wrong...you really wish Israel is what you're stating they are...there was no evidence at all of "apartheid" and "occupation"...Like Israel after becoming a state just started occupying...so no attacks by 5 surrounding countries happened? Didn't Edypt lost a few acres of land and got it back through peace with Israel? Hamas didn't just popped up because of "occupation of Israel" that's a stupid take really... Hamas was founded in 1987 but you can say as a brand of Muslim Brotherhood the the idea was as old as 1917 after the Balfour Declaration....But if you're crying 75 years of occupation... there was no Hamas in 1948 either...Palestinians had the opportunity to achieve statehood but the agenda pushed on them was that there's an opportunity to remove the Jewish state....Just admit it...for a tiny piece of land for the Jews....the surrounding Arab countries chose violence instead...and you think...all that history of conflict....Oct 7 was a justified act... repulsive..
 

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No they are not. India, the worlds largest democracy, alone outnumbers all the nations that consider Hamas to be terrorists, put together - US, Canada, Europe (not even all of Europe), Australia, NZ and Japan put together, by 135M people
I was talking about the actual countries, not population calculated from each individual country
(which is meaningless, because you have no idea how every individual person feels about Hamas in each country).

Here's the complete list of countries who have declared Hamas a terrorist organization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
India and Brazil are the only democracies on that list
 

richaceg

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I will stop reading your post right here because you start off with factually incorrect statements. Yes it is occupation because all the settlements in the west bank are ILLEGAL per international law. So yes, it is occupation. And Israel is documented as an apartheid state. Read a history book or two Rich.
Wrong again...too many fumbles...no evidences...yes, stop reading the post...you know you wouldn't like it..There is no justification for Hamas...and no condemnation of Hamas even though identified as terrorists...LoL...ok...
 

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shack

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How have I admitted and how can my criticism of Israel be more disproportionate than that of Israel when I have already said in my statement above that Israel's response is unhinged and disproportionate?
We're talking numbers here. It's quantitative not qualitative.

If Hamas slaughtered 1,200 innocent civilian music lovers and there have been 20,000 Gazans killed (according to revised estimates issued just this week by the UN) that works out to a proportion slightly under 17:1. You have criticized Israel more than Hamas in, easily, more than 20X of your posts. It's probably 50:1 in your case.

THIS is how your criticism is vastly more disproportionate.

Clearly you didn't understand what I meant when I said proportionate, but I don't mind helping you when I am able.
 
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