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So you've now admitted that your response is more disproportionate than of Israel, yet still declare that you've condemned Hamas enough. This in light of your statement that you can't condemn Hamas without condemning Israel but the reverse is perfectly fine. Your bias is egregious meaning it is based on the hatred of Jews that was pre-existent of the current conflict.
Bizarre. Illogical.
 

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Incoherent umbo jumbo once proven wrong lol.

That is the democracy index. That speaks to the quality of democracy (as adjudged by western standards and therefore subject to western cultural bias). Not the system of governance. So countries marked as a Hybrid regime for example, are still democratic. For example Ukraine and Bangladesh are considered Hybrid, but they are still democracies.

Also as I stated, democracies dont mean much. They are just as capable, willing and infact do, uncivilized things often. The US and Israel being 2 examples.
proven wrong? you had no evidence...or should we just take y our word for all your claims...genocide? apartheid? ZERO evidence... go back to school...you can't even back your claim that Hamas only happened because of occupation...The occupation you claim was 75 years old...pick your dates...go on...
 

Phil C. McNasty

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So countries marked as a Hybrid regime for example, are still democratic. For example Ukraine and Bangladesh are considered Hybrid, but they are still democracies
They are not truly democratic when they experience political repression:



Also, you said the majority of African countries are democratic. The complete opposite is true.
The majority of African countries are authoritarian regimes with rigged elections

 

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Well there is something we can agree on!
Yes, we agree that sHACK is lame and shack of sit is better. (BTW sHACK is still better than Geno's hammy, which is cringe-worthy lame) I have said many, many times that we must always be open-minded and assess positions on a case by case basis. No one side or individual is always right, or always wrong. Give credit where credit is due.

I just showed that I practise what I preach.
 
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Given that Israel has killed about 45,000 people and Hamas about 600-700 there should be about 600x the posts criticizing Israel, hammy.
The UN has reassessed those estimates and halved the amounts just this week. But you already knew that, didn't you, Geno.
 

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Given that Israel has killed about 45,000 people and Hamas about 600-700 there should be about 600x the posts criticizing Israel, hammy.
As well, you shouldn't try doing math in your head. It's clearly beyond your capabilities.

It would only be 60X, even with you ignoring the numbers used by the UN and using these false ones. Hamas doesn't count very well, either.
 

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Frankfooter said:
The ICC charges against Netanyahu and his time are likely coming out this week.

OK Geno. It's early Friday evening in Europe and the middle east. How many times can you possibly be wrong without having a single solitary correct prediction. How "likely" are we at now? What does Vegas say?

When I call you Geno and the boy who cried wolf, I could not be more correct. Be a mensch and try and save one scintilla of your credibility and admit that this prediction was WRONG.
Hey, so the court is always slower than I think its going to be.
You think that means no charges are coming?

 

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As well, you shouldn't try doing math in your head. It's clearly beyond your capabilities.

It would only be 60X, even with you ignoring the numbers used by the UN and using these false ones. Hamas doesn't count very well, either.
Ok, we both agree, Israel are 60x the terrorists as Hamas.
 

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Hey, so the court is always slower than I think its going to be.
At least you admit that you are prone to not thinking things through. Kinda like Hamas on Oct.7.

Do you think that Hamas thought through all of the ramifications of their attack.
You think that means no charges are coming?
I rarely make predictions on any topic. You keeping proving over and over and over again, what a foolish strategy that is. You just keep embarrassing yourself every time, Genostradamus
 
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The US is adjudged a flawed democracy as well. So they are not fully democratic either. The index means nothing. It is a western commentary on the quality of democracy in various nations. They consider India "autocratizing". Meanwhile India has a election showing of 70%, one of the highest in the world and they elect Modi and cheer for him. So is the index accurate? No it is not. Also as I said being a democracy isnt an automatic blank check to more credibility. There are many countries like Bhutan that are absolute monarchies but dont even have an army and are some of the most peaceful. While countries like Israel and the US are some of the most violent.

No they did not.

"No, the UN Did NOT Halve the Number of Dead in Gaza": Mehdi Debunks the Latest Genocide Denial


Israeli settlements are illegal per international law. Go look it up. Your incoherent uninformed ramblings deserve no further response.
You never proved anything....and still haven't explained why Hamas atrocities are justified....because of the wrong notion "apartheid" is happening without proof...
 
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shack

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45000/600 = 75. Not 60. Talk about wrong math. I thought it was just logic but you are weak in math too? 😂
You know darn well that the UN halved the previous estimates just this week.

You have been using 35,000 deaths. Half of that is 17,500. The accepted number (not Hamas based) of Israelis killed by Hamas on Oct. 7 is 1,200. And that does not include the hostages, so you can can stop with the missing, homeless, hungry on the Pali side in your calculations. Apples to apples. Deaths.

So 1,200 to 17,500 is less than 15:1. The numbers prove you wrong every time.
 

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Ok, we both agree, Israel are 60x the terrorists as Hamas.
No. We agree that your numbers are incorrect as per UN estimates from this week.

But, if your numbers are correct of the size of the Israeli response, don't you think that Oct.7 was stupid?
 

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At least you admit that you are prone to not thinking things through. Kinda like Hamas on Oct.7.

Do you think that Hamas thought through all of the ramifications of their attack.

I rarely make predictions on any topic. You keeping proving over and over and over again, what a foolish strategy that is. You just keep embarrassing yourself every time, Genostradamus
Sure, hammy, you think you are very thoughtful.
Didn't you claim that Israel would get entirely rid of Hamas and get all the hostages back?

 

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No. We agree that your numbers are incorrect as per UN estimates from this week.

But, if your numbers are correct of the size of the Israeli response, don't you think that Oct.7 was stupid?
The UN numbers haven't changed.
25,000 dead and identified
10,000 more reported
10,000 more buried and missing in rubble

45,000 dead
 

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Sure, hammy, you think you are very thoughtful.
Didn't you claim that Israel would get entirely rid of Hamas and get all the hostages back?
I've claimed that those were and still are Israel's goals.

As well, I put no time frame on it did I, unlike you, who claimed those ICC charges were coming this week?

The week is over Geno. Is the war over yet?
 

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Yeah, so the whole being a democratic country is blown way out of proportion and paraded around like it is something morally superior
The difference to me is countries like the US in the end just want law and order in the world, whereas muslim groups like Hamas just wanna destroy everything in sight
 
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