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richaceg

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No they weren't. Jews historically lived in the middle east as minorities and at peace. The only place where they experienced any sort of attack was in Europe, not in the middle east. So Palestinians should not have had to pay for European crimes against the Jews. If the Europeans who genocided them wanted Jews to be safe, why not carve out a piece of land in Europe and give it to them? Why steal someone else's land?

Violence started after Europeans who happened to be Jews, started mass settling in Palestine, with the patronage of the colonial powers, started protests and demonstrations for various things which eventually led to communal violence, following which they formed militias and massacred whole Arab villages. Arabs did for their part too. All of this was before 1948. So no. Israel/Zionists started it.

PS: And "smaller than Texas"? You know that Texas is bigger than France, Germany, Spain and Sweden right? 🤦‍♂️

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Hey idiot...somehow you think putting all Jews in a piece of land as small as israel then cry "apartheid" doesn't sound stupid...well it is... you need to read more about the history of Jews in Middle East before arguing because you obviously don't have a clue....Somehow you think Majority of Jews popped up from Europe and didn't originate somewhere else...what a fucking joke you are becoming...
 

richaceg

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So you're admitting Israel has wiped Palestine off the maps and you are supporting this act.
Then you are calling Hamas terrorists for claiming they are thinking of doing something similar.

Read your history well....you're just blabbing you have evidence Israel wiped Paletine? Sources? UN? no, ICJ no....post it. or let's keep it rolling and you lose again..
 

Klatuu

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that's a lot of casualties of war...what are Hamas doing to palestinians? left them out in an open war zone....can't even evacuate them...time to own up their mistakes for starting another conflict...
Brainwashed
 

Klatuu

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that's a lot of casualties of war...what are Hamas doing to palestinians? left them out in an open war zone....can't even evacuate them...time to own up their mistakes for starting another conflict...
Deflection
 

Klatuu

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Read your history well....you're just blabbing you have evidence Israel wiped Paletine? Sources? UN? no, ICJ no....post it. or let's keep it rolling and you lose again..
Give us your sources. What did you read that gave you this version? Did you take a university course on Middle East history?

Let’s see if they are independent.

What are the odds on him deflecting? 100%?
 

richaceg

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Give us your sources. What did you read that gave you this version? Did you take a university course on Middle East history?

Let’s see if they are independent.

What are the odds on him deflecting? 100%?
You have nothing. Stating Israel wiped Palestine off the map....show the sources...
 

richaceg

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Incoherent sentences with excessive punctuations. Yes, the majority of present day Israelis originated in Europe and other parts of the middle east and have nothing to do with PALESTINE. They are all settlers. The original Jews who lived there were minorities in Hebron, Jerusalem etc., And after these colonialists got there, they have now implemented policies that are apartheid. How do you not know anything Rich? 🤦‍♂️
again, your stupidity is wafting off...so you can't find out how jews end up in Europe?
 

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Read your history well....you're just blabbing you have evidence Israel wiped Paletine? Sources? UN? no, ICJ no....post it. or let's keep it rolling and you lose again..
You already said its true, you said there is no Palestine on the map the way there was before partition and the zionist occupation.
 

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Bull Burr puts Maher's bitch ass in its place. Hilarious and satisfying! 😂

In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]

Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
 

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Poor education
One mystery of Yasser Arafat's life seemed unsolved at the time of his death: How much money did he have, and where is it? In the mid-1990s, Arafat controlled a financial empire worth at least $3 billion. By the time of his death, he was down to his last $1 billion, according to Israeli intelligence estimates. Palestinian leaders believe his widow Suha would like to make off with what is left of his cash, a suspicion deepened by her charges last week that Arafat's successors were "trying to bury [him] alive."
But Arafat's widow may not receive as much as she might hope. People involved with the Palestinian leader's finances say Suha's outburst came after she learned that Arafat signed over at least $800 million to the government of the Palestinian Authority two years ago. Several hundred million dollars more in cash for the P.L.O. and Arafat's Fatah faction devolved to the new leaders of those groups, who detest Suha. Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."








So what happens to the rest? For years investigators have followed Arafat's money trail in an effort to find out how the billions of dollars donated to the Palestinian cause have been spent. Although many details of Arafat's financial dealings remain murky, the evidence suggests that by his death, the Palestinian leader had squandered much of the fortune he had built in the name of his people. Before the 1991 Gulf War, Arafat received millions from gulf states, including at least $50 million a year from Saudi Arabia. Palestinians working in the gulf had to pay tax to the P.L.O. He spent the cash on stipends and services for the 4 million Palestinian refugees, but most of it went to finance "military operations" and buy the support of cronies. The money started to dry up in 1991, when Arafat backed Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War and lost the support of governments in the gulf, which expelled most of their Palestinian workers, cutting Arafat's tax revenue.

The Oslo peace process provided a brief windfall for the Palestinians, bringing Arafat $4 billion in donations from the U.S., the European Union, Japan and sales tax gathered by Israel that was passed on to him. But much of that was wasted or skimmed by corrupt Arafat associates. When a Palestinian Authority audit exposed the corruption in 1997, Arafat ordered future audits to be kept secret.

Although he led an ascetic existence in Ramallah, Arafat lavished money siphoned from Palestinian coffers on cronies, family members and militant groups. There was income from bank accounts and businesses spread across the world, often held in others' names. A senior Palestinian intelligence official says Arafat had a stake in a Hebron furniture company and a Syrian sewing factory. Senior Palestinian security officials tell TIME that Arafat shipped money to the gunmen of the Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. The most conspicuous recipient of Arafat's largesse was Suha. People familiar with Arafat's finances say the Palestinian leader sent Suha $200,000 a month out of the Palestinian Authority's budget for the Office of the President. French authorities are investigating transfers of $11.5 million from Swiss banks to Paris accounts in Suha's name at the Arab Bank and at BNP Paribas Bank, a French bank.
 

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One mystery of Yasser Arafat's life seemed unsolved at the time of his death: How much money did he have, and where is it? In the mid-1990s, Arafat controlled a financial empire worth at least $3 billion. By the time of his death, he was down to his last $1 billion, according to Israeli intelligence estimates. Palestinian leaders believe his widow Suha would like to make off with what is left of his cash, a suspicion deepened by her charges last week that Arafat's successors were "trying to bury [him] alive."
But Arafat's widow may not receive as much as she might hope. People involved with the Palestinian leader's finances say Suha's outburst came after she learned that Arafat signed over at least $800 million to the government of the Palestinian Authority two years ago. Several hundred million dollars more in cash for the P.L.O. and Arafat's Fatah faction devolved to the new leaders of those groups, who detest Suha. Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."








So what happens to the rest? For years investigators have followed Arafat's money trail in an effort to find out how the billions of dollars donated to the Palestinian cause have been spent. Although many details of Arafat's financial dealings remain murky, the evidence suggests that by his death, the Palestinian leader had squandered much of the fortune he had built in the name of his people. Before the 1991 Gulf War, Arafat received millions from gulf states, including at least $50 million a year from Saudi Arabia. Palestinians working in the gulf had to pay tax to the P.L.O. He spent the cash on stipends and services for the 4 million Palestinian refugees, but most of it went to finance "military operations" and buy the support of cronies. The money started to dry up in 1991, when Arafat backed Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War and lost the support of governments in the gulf, which expelled most of their Palestinian workers, cutting Arafat's tax revenue.

The Oslo peace process provided a brief windfall for the Palestinians, bringing Arafat $4 billion in donations from the U.S., the European Union, Japan and sales tax gathered by Israel that was passed on to him. But much of that was wasted or skimmed by corrupt Arafat associates. When a Palestinian Authority audit exposed the corruption in 1997, Arafat ordered future audits to be kept secret.

Although he led an ascetic existence in Ramallah, Arafat lavished money siphoned from Palestinian coffers on cronies, family members and militant groups. There was income from bank accounts and businesses spread across the world, often held in others' names. A senior Palestinian intelligence official says Arafat had a stake in a Hebron furniture company and a Syrian sewing factory. Senior Palestinian security officials tell TIME that Arafat shipped money to the gunmen of the Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. The most conspicuous recipient of Arafat's largesse was Suha. People familiar with Arafat's finances say the Palestinian leader sent Suha $200,000 a month out of the Palestinian Authority's budget for the Office of the President. French authorities are investigating transfers of $11.5 million from Swiss banks to Paris accounts in Suha's name at the Arab Bank and at BNP Paribas Bank, a French bank.
Totally irrelevant to the discussion about why Israel chose not to end the occupation and instead institute apartheid followed by genocide.

 
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Klatuu

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Spain refuses to let ship with weapons for Israel to dock in Spain. Boycott continues to grow. There is no going back.


 
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No. Israel has committed terrorism against Palestinians since 1948.
And Palestinians have sat by and committed no aggressive acts against Israel? No terrorism of their own? No 1972 Olympic hostage and murders? You make it sound like the Palis are angels. You're so biased, your posts become irrelevant.

committed October 7 was retaliatory terrorism for which Israel retaliated with MORE terrorism AND genocide. Oct. 7 was pretty f'n stupid.

And therefore, there will even more retaliatory terrorism against Israel, if a long term 2 state solution isn't worked out.
That will give you another opportunity to complain about Israel's disproportionate response. Everything is all so predictable yet you and the Palis continue to seek out ways for your lives to be ruined even more.

But you are right, that it's time for the Palis/Hamas to realize that they need to work out a peace solution even if it means they have to make some concessions.

Is there a word in Arabic that means concessions? If there is, maybe it's the same word they also use for self-inflicted pain and suffering. Maybe that's the problem.
 
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