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They offered ceasefires where they would return the hostages a few times, the last 9 days ago.
The last time I heard they were offering to return hostages was at a 30 to 1 exchange. Release 30 Hamas prisoners and you get one hostage back.
Sure they did. LOL. How did their offer read? "you know those hostages we got? well, we will return them on October 9th or 10th. We had our playtime. You can have them back. Some of them are slightly damaged..... "used" you might say. The 1200 we slaughtered on October 7th? Hoping you will give us a free pass on that one. Let's let bygones be bygones. Just don't enter the Gaza strip. Those are our terms.They offered to release hostages as early as October 9th or 10th, in return for the IDF not entering the Gaza strip. But of course Bibi wanted his 35000+ lbs of flesh.
‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum
Haim Rubinstein claims Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza, lays out PM's alleged political meddling that led him to quit last monthwww.timesofisrael.com
Sometimes you can't squeeze the toothpaste back in the tube. Or to quote Pottery Barn. "You break it. You own it"
What the fuck did they think would happen?
They held a truce in Nov and Hamas returned hostages.
Netanyahu could have continued the exchanges but he chose more genocide instead.
Dec. 2: Freed hostages speak at Tel Aviv rally as Netanyahu vows to press Gaza ground op
Rockets target Tel Aviv for first time since Nov. 20 * Gallant says Hamas refused to release women, kids, breaking deal * Hamas claims only soldiers, former troops still being held
www.timesofisrael.com
You are giving Hamas cart blanche to kill 1200 people. Take hundreds of hostages and then lay down terms for their return.
So some guy rapes your wife and kids. Takes them hostage, and then a day or so later offers to return them. " Slightly soiled" For which you should express no ire or seek to extract justifiable revenge. Funny how that wouldn't work in normal every day society. Seems reasonable enough the way you explain it.
So Israel should have just accepted the "truce" and said "no harm no foul" carry on chaps.They held a truce in Nov and Hamas returned hostages.
Netanyahu could have continued the exchanges but he chose more genocide instead.
Dec. 2: Freed hostages speak at Tel Aviv rally as Netanyahu vows to press Gaza ground op
Rockets target Tel Aviv for first time since Nov. 20 * Gallant says Hamas refused to release women, kids, breaking deal * Hamas claims only soldiers, former troops still being held
Why is Douglas Murray an asshole?They offered to release hostages as early as October 9th or 10th, in return for the IDF not entering the Gaza strip. But of course Bibi wanted his 35000+ lbs of flesh.
‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum
Haim Rubinstein claims Israel rejected early Hamas offer to free all civilians if IDF didn't enter Gaza, lays out PM's alleged political meddling that led him to quit last month
Plus Doug Murray is an asshole anyway.
Murray has been accused of putting a socially acceptable face on fringe ideologies. In 2012, Arun Kundnani wrote in an article for Security and Human Rights that the "counterjihadist" ideology expressed by Murray and other conservative intellectuals was "through reworking far-right ideology and appropriating official discourse... able to evade categorisation as a source of far-right violence".[63] British writer Nafeez Ahmed argued in Middle East Eye that Murray's support for free speech in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo shooting and the January 2015 Île-de-France attacks was "really just a ploy for far-right entryism".[64] In 2019, an article in Social Policy Review described Murray's views as a kind of "mainstreamist" ideology that defies easy categorization as extremist while remaining "entangled with the far right".[65]
Murray has been described as promoting far-right conspiracy theories, including the Great Replacement theory,[66] the Eurabia conspiracy theory[67][10] and the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory.[12]
Did he say something you disagree with?
Anyway. They gave the Palestinians what they wanted. Oslo Peace Accord. As somebody pointed out. In no time at all, under his leadership Gaza walked in lockstep with all it's neighbors. Corruption. Extortion. Torture. You know. The usual Islamic paradise.
In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]
Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
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Repeating he's a right wing nut isn't really an argument. He must have said something you can point to that you disagree with.
Astonishing insight and summary. Read his entire thread on the war
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Sounds like Israel should just end the occupation then so that Palestinians don't need to use violence to resist it.
That 75 year occupation and wiping Palestine off the maps isn't really working that well, is it?
How about ending apartheid and the occupation before any of this happened?
Instead you get this.
Did they?
Did they end the occupation and establish the two state solution?
Or did Netanyahu just use it to stall and put more 'facts on the ground'?
Keep chanting BS...Hamas proved on Oct 7 they are terrorists and will serve one purpose....remove the Jews...at the expense of the palestinians...
Palestinian Authority and peace negotiations
Further information: Palestinian views on the peace process § Yasser Arafat and the PLO
Oslo Accords
Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Arafat during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993_-_THE_NOBEL_PEACE_PRIZE_LAUREATES_FOR_1994_IN_OSLO..jpg)
Arafat, Shimon Peres and Rabin receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords, 10 December 1994In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords.[70][100] The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule. Authority over the various fields of rule, including education and culture, social welfare, direct taxation and tourism, would be transferred to the Palestinian interim government. Both parties agreed also on forming a committee that would establish cooperation and coordination dealing with specific economic sectors, including utilities, industry, trade and communication.[101]
Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO.[102] The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres.[103] The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected also by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.[104]
Establishing authority in the territories
In accordance with the terms of the Oslo agreement, Arafat was required to implement PLO authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He insisted that financial support was imperative to establishing this authority and needed it to secure the acceptance of the agreements by the Palestinians living in those areas. However, Arab states of the Persian Gulf—Arafat's usual source for financial backing—still refused to provide him and the PLO with any major donations for siding with Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.[104] Ahmed Qurei—a key Fatah negotiator during the negotiations in Oslo—publicly announced that the PLO was bankrupt.[105]
In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]
Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
Israel proved they are terrorists on Oct 8, committing genocide after wiping Palestine off the maps.
So you back terrorists committing genocide.
How are you any better than Hamas?
Updates: ICJ hears S Africa request over Israeli assault on Gaza’s Rafah
These were the updates on the first day of the ICJ hearings for Thursday, May 16, 2024.
Why has Israel refused to end the occupation?Palestinian Authority and peace negotiations
Further information: Palestinian views on the peace process § Yasser Arafat and the PLO
Oslo Accords
Yitzhak Rabin, Bill Clinton, and Arafat during the Oslo Accords on 13 September 1993
Arafat, Shimon Peres and Rabin receiving the Nobel Peace Prize following the Oslo Accords, 10 December 1994
In the early 1990s, Arafat and leading Fatah officials engaged the Israeli government in a series of secret talks and negotiations that led to the 1993 Oslo Accords.[70][100] The agreement called for the implementation of Palestinian self-rule in portions of the West Bank and Gaza Strip over a five-year period, along with an immediate halt to and gradual removal of Israeli settlements in those areas. The accords called for a Palestinian police force to be formed from local recruits and Palestinians abroad, to patrol areas of self-rule. Authority over the various fields of rule, including education and culture, social welfare, direct taxation and tourism, would be transferred to the Palestinian interim government. Both parties agreed also on forming a committee that would establish cooperation and coordination dealing with specific economic sectors, including utilities, industry, trade and communication.[101]
Prior to signing the accords, Arafat—as Chairman of the PLO and its official representative—signed two letters renouncing violence and officially recognizing Israel. In return, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, on behalf of Israel, officially recognized the PLO.[102] The following year, Arafat and Rabin were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, along with Shimon Peres.[103] The Palestinian reaction was mixed. The Rejectionist Front of the PLO allied itself with Islamists in a common opposition against the agreements. It was rejected also by Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan as well as by many Palestinian intellectuals and the local leadership of the Palestinian territories. However, the inhabitants of the territories generally accepted the agreements and Arafat's promise for peace and economic well-being.[104]
Establishing authority in the territories
In accordance with the terms of the Oslo agreement, Arafat was required to implement PLO authority in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. He insisted that financial support was imperative to establishing this authority and needed it to secure the acceptance of the agreements by the Palestinians living in those areas. However, Arab states of the Persian Gulf—Arafat's usual source for financial backing—still refused to provide him and the PLO with any major donations for siding with Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War.[104] Ahmed Qurei—a key Fatah negotiator during the negotiations in Oslo—publicly announced that the PLO was bankrupt.[105]
In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]
Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
