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richaceg

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Not correct, rich.
The first terrorism in Palestine was by zionist terrorists, before partition.
Israel was established through terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

The first war, in 1948–49, began when Israel declared itself an independent state following the United Nations' partition of Palestine and five Arab countries—Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria—attacked Israel. And guess what...that's not when the violence started...
The Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.[1] The event also left scores seriously wounded or maimed. Jewish homes were pillaged and synagogues were ransacked. Some of the 435 Jews in Hebron who survived were hidden by local Arab families,[2] although the extent of this phenomenon is debated.[3] Soon after, all Hebron's Jews were evacuated by the British authorities.[4] Many returned in 1931, but almost all were evacuated at the outbreak of the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. The massacre formed part of the 1929 Palestine riots, in which a total of 133 Jews and 110 Arabs were killed, the majority of the latter by British police and military,[5] and brought the centuries-old Jewish presence in Hebron to an end.
 
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richaceg

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Post a map of Palestine, rich.

Then we can discuss where you think Palestinians in Gaza should go since its a giant concentration camp with 70% of all buildings destroyed.
You really should read the ICJ posts.
Sure if you can find a map of Palestine post ithen...because never heard of a country names palestine....you can try hard to claim state of Palestine after realizing state of Israel isn't going anywhere...I know you're butthurt about it... keep crying giant concentration camp...israel was dealt with a small piece of land and make it work for them....Palestinians didn't want their own state...they wanted no Jewish state... Hamas promised "no Jewish state...I don't think they can deliver...
 

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The first war, in 1948–49, began when Israel declared itself an independent state following the United Nations' partition of Palestine and five Arab countries—Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria—attacked Israel. And guess what...that's not when the violence started...
The Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.[1] The event also left scores seriously wounded or maimed. Jewish homes were pillaged and synagogues were ransacked. Some of the 435 Jews in Hebron who survived were hidden by local Arab families,[2] although the extent of this phenomenon is debated.[3] Soon after, all Hebron's Jews were evacuated by the British authorities.[4] Many returned in 1931, but almost all were evacuated at the outbreak of the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. The massacre formed part of the 1929 Palestine riots, in which a total of 133 Jews and 110 Arabs were killed, the majority of the latter by British police and military,[5] and brought the centuries-old Jewish presence in Hebron to an end.
Read the history of Irgun, rich.

 

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Sure if you can find a map of Palestine post ithen...because never heard of a country names palestine....you can try hard to claim state of Palestine after realizing state of Israel isn't going anywhere...I know you're butthurt about it... keep crying giant concentration camp...israel was dealt with a small piece of land and make it work for them....Palestinians didn't want their own state...they wanted no Jewish state... Hamas promised "no Jewish state...I don't think they can deliver...
So you're admitting Israel has wiped Palestine off the maps and you are supporting this act.
Then you are calling Hamas terrorists for claiming they are thinking of doing something similar.

 

richaceg

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No they weren't. Jews historically lived in the middle east as minorities and at peace. The only place where they experienced any sort of attack was in Europe, not in the middle east. So Palestinians should not have had to pay for European crimes against the Jews. If the Europeans who genocided them wanted Jews to be safe, why not carve out a piece of land in Europe and give it to them? Why steal someone else's land?

Violence started after Europeans who happened to be Jews, started mass settling in Palestine, with the patronage of the colonial powers, started protests and demonstrations for various things which eventually led to communal violence, following which they formed militias and massacred whole Arab villages. Arabs did for their part too. All of this was before 1948. So no. Israel/Zionists started it.

PS: And "smaller than Texas"? You know that Texas is bigger than France, Germany, Spain and Sweden right? 🤦‍♂️

Here you go.

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Hey idiot...somehow you think putting all Jews in a piece of land as small as israel then cry "apartheid" doesn't sound stupid...well it is... you need to read more about the history of Jews in Middle East before arguing because you obviously don't have a clue....Somehow you think Majority of Jews popped up from Europe and didn't originate somewhere else...what a fucking joke you are becoming...
 

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So you're admitting Israel has wiped Palestine off the maps and you are supporting this act.
Then you are calling Hamas terrorists for claiming they are thinking of doing something similar.

Read your history well....you're just blabbing you have evidence Israel wiped Paletine? Sources? UN? no, ICJ no....post it. or let's keep it rolling and you lose again..
 

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that's a lot of casualties of war...what are Hamas doing to palestinians? left them out in an open war zone....can't even evacuate them...time to own up their mistakes for starting another conflict...
Brainwashed
 

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that's a lot of casualties of war...what are Hamas doing to palestinians? left them out in an open war zone....can't even evacuate them...time to own up their mistakes for starting another conflict...
Deflection
 

Klatuu

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Read your history well....you're just blabbing you have evidence Israel wiped Paletine? Sources? UN? no, ICJ no....post it. or let's keep it rolling and you lose again..
Give us your sources. What did you read that gave you this version? Did you take a university course on Middle East history?

Let’s see if they are independent.

What are the odds on him deflecting? 100%?
 

richaceg

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Give us your sources. What did you read that gave you this version? Did you take a university course on Middle East history?

Let’s see if they are independent.

What are the odds on him deflecting? 100%?
You have nothing. Stating Israel wiped Palestine off the map....show the sources...
 

richaceg

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Incoherent sentences with excessive punctuations. Yes, the majority of present day Israelis originated in Europe and other parts of the middle east and have nothing to do with PALESTINE. They are all settlers. The original Jews who lived there were minorities in Hebron, Jerusalem etc., And after these colonialists got there, they have now implemented policies that are apartheid. How do you not know anything Rich? 🤦‍♂️
again, your stupidity is wafting off...so you can't find out how jews end up in Europe?
 

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Read your history well....you're just blabbing you have evidence Israel wiped Paletine? Sources? UN? no, ICJ no....post it. or let's keep it rolling and you lose again..
You already said its true, you said there is no Palestine on the map the way there was before partition and the zionist occupation.
 

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Bull Burr puts Maher's bitch ass in its place. Hilarious and satisfying! 😂

In 1994, Arafat moved to Gaza City, which was controlled by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA)—the provisional entity created by the Oslo Accords.[103] Arafat became the President and Prime Minister of the PNA, the Commander of the PLA and the Speaker of the PLC. In July, after the PNA was declared the official government of the Palestinians, the Basic Laws of the Palestinian National Authority was published,[106] in three different versions by the PLO. Arafat proceeded with creating a structure for the PNA. He established an executive committee or cabinet composed of twenty members. Arafat also replaced and assigned mayors and city councils for major cities such as Gaza and Nablus. He began subordinating non-governmental organizations that worked in education, health, and social affairs under his authority by replacing their elected leaders and directors with PNA officials loyal to him. He then appointed himself chairman of the Palestinian financial organization that was created by the World Bank to control most aid money towards helping the new Palestinian entity.[104]

Arafat established a Palestinian police force, named the Preventive Security Service (PSS), that became active on 13 May 1994. It was mainly composed of PLA soldiers and foreign Palestinian volunteers. Arafat assigned Mohammed Dahlan and Jibril Rajoub to head the PSS.[104] Amnesty International accused Arafat and the PNA leadership of failing to adequately investigate abuses by the PSS (including torture and unlawful killings) against political opponents and dissidents as well as the arrests of human rights activists.[107]
 

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Poor education
One mystery of Yasser Arafat's life seemed unsolved at the time of his death: How much money did he have, and where is it? In the mid-1990s, Arafat controlled a financial empire worth at least $3 billion. By the time of his death, he was down to his last $1 billion, according to Israeli intelligence estimates. Palestinian leaders believe his widow Suha would like to make off with what is left of his cash, a suspicion deepened by her charges last week that Arafat's successors were "trying to bury [him] alive."
But Arafat's widow may not receive as much as she might hope. People involved with the Palestinian leader's finances say Suha's outburst came after she learned that Arafat signed over at least $800 million to the government of the Palestinian Authority two years ago. Several hundred million dollars more in cash for the P.L.O. and Arafat's Fatah faction devolved to the new leaders of those groups, who detest Suha. Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."








So what happens to the rest? For years investigators have followed Arafat's money trail in an effort to find out how the billions of dollars donated to the Palestinian cause have been spent. Although many details of Arafat's financial dealings remain murky, the evidence suggests that by his death, the Palestinian leader had squandered much of the fortune he had built in the name of his people. Before the 1991 Gulf War, Arafat received millions from gulf states, including at least $50 million a year from Saudi Arabia. Palestinians working in the gulf had to pay tax to the P.L.O. He spent the cash on stipends and services for the 4 million Palestinian refugees, but most of it went to finance "military operations" and buy the support of cronies. The money started to dry up in 1991, when Arafat backed Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War and lost the support of governments in the gulf, which expelled most of their Palestinian workers, cutting Arafat's tax revenue.

The Oslo peace process provided a brief windfall for the Palestinians, bringing Arafat $4 billion in donations from the U.S., the European Union, Japan and sales tax gathered by Israel that was passed on to him. But much of that was wasted or skimmed by corrupt Arafat associates. When a Palestinian Authority audit exposed the corruption in 1997, Arafat ordered future audits to be kept secret.

Although he led an ascetic existence in Ramallah, Arafat lavished money siphoned from Palestinian coffers on cronies, family members and militant groups. There was income from bank accounts and businesses spread across the world, often held in others' names. A senior Palestinian intelligence official says Arafat had a stake in a Hebron furniture company and a Syrian sewing factory. Senior Palestinian security officials tell TIME that Arafat shipped money to the gunmen of the Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. The most conspicuous recipient of Arafat's largesse was Suha. People familiar with Arafat's finances say the Palestinian leader sent Suha $200,000 a month out of the Palestinian Authority's budget for the Office of the President. French authorities are investigating transfers of $11.5 million from Swiss banks to Paris accounts in Suha's name at the Arab Bank and at BNP Paribas Bank, a French bank.
 

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One mystery of Yasser Arafat's life seemed unsolved at the time of his death: How much money did he have, and where is it? In the mid-1990s, Arafat controlled a financial empire worth at least $3 billion. By the time of his death, he was down to his last $1 billion, according to Israeli intelligence estimates. Palestinian leaders believe his widow Suha would like to make off with what is left of his cash, a suspicion deepened by her charges last week that Arafat's successors were "trying to bury [him] alive."
But Arafat's widow may not receive as much as she might hope. People involved with the Palestinian leader's finances say Suha's outburst came after she learned that Arafat signed over at least $800 million to the government of the Palestinian Authority two years ago. Several hundred million dollars more in cash for the P.L.O. and Arafat's Fatah faction devolved to the new leaders of those groups, who detest Suha. Top Palestinian officials say Suha wants the new chief of the P.L.O., Mahmoud Abbas, and Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei to give her money out of the P.L.O.'s party coffers. But the organization is not as flush as it once was. A senior P.L.O. official says "they'll pay her a pension, and that's it."








So what happens to the rest? For years investigators have followed Arafat's money trail in an effort to find out how the billions of dollars donated to the Palestinian cause have been spent. Although many details of Arafat's financial dealings remain murky, the evidence suggests that by his death, the Palestinian leader had squandered much of the fortune he had built in the name of his people. Before the 1991 Gulf War, Arafat received millions from gulf states, including at least $50 million a year from Saudi Arabia. Palestinians working in the gulf had to pay tax to the P.L.O. He spent the cash on stipends and services for the 4 million Palestinian refugees, but most of it went to finance "military operations" and buy the support of cronies. The money started to dry up in 1991, when Arafat backed Saddam Hussein in the Gulf War and lost the support of governments in the gulf, which expelled most of their Palestinian workers, cutting Arafat's tax revenue.

The Oslo peace process provided a brief windfall for the Palestinians, bringing Arafat $4 billion in donations from the U.S., the European Union, Japan and sales tax gathered by Israel that was passed on to him. But much of that was wasted or skimmed by corrupt Arafat associates. When a Palestinian Authority audit exposed the corruption in 1997, Arafat ordered future audits to be kept secret.

Although he led an ascetic existence in Ramallah, Arafat lavished money siphoned from Palestinian coffers on cronies, family members and militant groups. There was income from bank accounts and businesses spread across the world, often held in others' names. A senior Palestinian intelligence official says Arafat had a stake in a Hebron furniture company and a Syrian sewing factory. Senior Palestinian security officials tell TIME that Arafat shipped money to the gunmen of the Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. The most conspicuous recipient of Arafat's largesse was Suha. People familiar with Arafat's finances say the Palestinian leader sent Suha $200,000 a month out of the Palestinian Authority's budget for the Office of the President. French authorities are investigating transfers of $11.5 million from Swiss banks to Paris accounts in Suha's name at the Arab Bank and at BNP Paribas Bank, a French bank.
Totally irrelevant to the discussion about why Israel chose not to end the occupation and instead institute apartheid followed by genocide.

 
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