Israel at war

Phil C. McNasty

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So supposedly the Gaza refugee camp the IDF hit today held a major Hamas commander, plus it killed about 50 Hamas members.
They were hiding under the refugee camp underneath tunnels.

They have all been killed (y)
 

shack

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How do you negotiate with a nuclear armed, military occupation?
How do you negotiate with an entity that wants to drive Israel into the sea?

You just said Israel is out to destroy all of Hamas, so clearly you don't support negotiations, you only support genocide.
False assumption. Israel would be more than happy to negotiate a peace. It is Hamas that refuses to accept any peaceful settlement.

This is the leader of Israel's military.
Are you saying he's lying?
I provided the link where Netanyahu and the cabinet said that it is their stated goal to remove HAMAS from the face of the earth. Nothing about Gazans or Palestinians. Are you saying that they're lying?

I support peace and the end of apartheid.
Too bad that there is no apartheid. Gaza is not a part of Israel. Gazans are not Israeli citizens. Did S. Africa enact any policies of people that were not S. African citizens?

You support death.
I support the death of terrorists.
 

shack

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You clearly think I've taken a position I haven't and are now replying to my posts only half reading them and assuming what I'm saying. That's not a great strategy. If that's not the case, I have no idea how you think this reply is relevant to anything I said in the post you quoted.
That is what he does. He gaslights and puts words in other people's mouth that have nothing to do with what they are actually trying to say.

He thinks that he's so smart but everybody sees through him. He is a disingenuous poster and has no honour in debating.

That is why he generates so much animus on TERB. He serves no positive function here. He is a detriment to TERB.
 

shack

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I'm sure that frank will step forward and answer every single question.

NOT.

Aside from Crazy Diamond I asked them all.
I told you he wouldn't answer.

He's as chicken as the Hamas terrorists who hide in tunnels after killing Israelis and then allow the innocent Gazans to take the brunt of the retaliatory blows.
 

Frankfooter

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The tweet said the video of paraflares was showing a war crime. It was fake propaganda. There is no "right for wrong reasons" with propaganda. It's just lies.
That tweet was bullshit, I admit. It wasn't from Al Jazeera it was second hand posting of an arabic Al J video. Looks like its from a troll account as there are multiple copies. My bad, I should have checked it.

This is likely the real Al J video, though its not off of their social feed but at least is watermarked. Are these flares or WP?

Uhhh. Ok. You agree the CCW clearly doesn't cover WP, but you think maybe a court will lose its mind and decide it is covered by it. Got it.

The US used it in the War on Terror as an incindiary and were never tried with war crimes. Israel has used it in the past and weren't charged with war crimes. Cross your fingers if you want to, but I think you've lost your mind.
No, as you previously noted its about whether the courts would rule that the targets were civilian or disproportionate. I accept they wouldn't press charges as chemical weapons or incendiary devices.
 

Frankfooter

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It was also Palestinians, not Hamas. Unless you're saying all Palestinians are Hamas. Which is ridiculous and basically says Israel should just engage in genocide.
Moot point, and I'm not trying to be antagonistic.

At this point I'm even sure what other options you think Hamas should have tried. They've repeatedly tried negotiations, they've called for ICC investigations, they've tried international pressure. After 2014 Hamas held a voluntary ceasefire and refused to respond to Israeli aggressions, including stopping Islamic Jihad from firing rockets. That lasted until 2018 when the people of Gaza went to protest at the Great March of Return. Palestinians in Gaza have also tried protests, international calls for action, BDS.

So what else do you think Hamas or the Palestinians in Gaza should have tried that they haven't in the last 17 years?
 
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Frankfooter

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I quoted what Netanyahu said is their stated goal, despite your assertion that he never said that. I showed that you lied.
I didn't say Netanyahu would say this in public, I said Israel minister of defence, the one in charge of the IDF, said it.
You're trying to move the goal posts again as you know you are wrong.

Today you've refused to comment on Israel deliberately targeting a refugee camp and killing hundreds.
That was an act of terrorism that you refuse to denounce.

Its looking very much like your goal is also genocide.

 
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Frankfooter

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I told you he wouldn't answer.

He's as chicken as the Hamas terrorists who hide in tunnels after killing Israelis and then allow the innocent Gazans to take the brunt of the retaliatory blows.
Shack, you're too afraid to even walk to a Palestine protest in Toronto and ask people there to denounce Oct 7.
You are the coward here.

The bombing at Jabilia looks horrific. There are 50+ confirmed dead and likely hundreds more. I have no idea how they will ever be able to find or count the bodies in this rubble. Targeting a refugee camp is truly despicable.

Its time for a ceasefire.
End apartheid.
End the occupation.

 

Valcazar

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You've just accused Israel of committing a war crime. No quarter is expressly forbidden by Geneva and Hague Conventions.
He actively supported no quarter earlier in this thread or another.

It really sounds like you're saying you support known war crimes. That's a strange position if you're not just trolling.
But Butler is on the record as being pro war crimes.
(As long as it is the people he agrees with doing them. Then they aren't war crimes, because the good guys can't commit war crimes.)

Or, you can interpret it that it is another case where he is aligned with Trump and believes that war crimes are the most efficient way to make wars shorter, so a real leader will encourage war crimes and therefore bring about peace.
 

Valcazar

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I get it, you're being very clear: you believe Israel is engaged in war crimes and you support their war crimes so much that you challenge any international group to do anything about it.

It's refreshingly honest for a member of the troll parade.
I should have just scrolled down further and I would have seen you already got it.
Sorry.

I accept the reality that, just like in Iraq, In Ukraine, in Tibet, and in many other places the ICC is a paper tiger to the realities of the world. So I choose to pick a side that I think serves the best interests of Liberal Democracy in the world. That will be a better partner to Canada.

Because Hamas needs to die. And the cost is going to be high.
Ahh.
The "Military action is the best way to support Democratic Values" approach, with a soupcon of "War crimes are just hard-headed realism".
 

Valcazar

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Israel should not be happy but it is reacting in response. Should they do nothing instead?
Something must be done.
This is something.
Therefore this must be done.


It's terrible fucking logic and it gets used all the time and it almost never accomplishes anything good.
 
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