Israel at war

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That's an antisemitic trope.
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You are an antisemitic trope.

You have openly stated that you think attacks on Jews in Israel are okay because a small number are militants and in your words "you can't tell them apart". And here you are trying to pretend that Jews quietly visiting their holiest site as approved by the Muslims overseeing the site justifies thousands of war crime rockets, killing hundreds of civilians including at least 250 festival goers, and kidnapping the elderly and children to use as hostages.

Hamas CHOSE to commit these crimes. As I said before, the Western word is united in their condemnation of Hamas but you choose to stand with Iran in praising them.
 
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The only peaceful and non-violent solution left is supporting BDS and international pressure to end apartheid.
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Yet you endorse violence.

The only non-violent solution is to push both sides to negotiate a peace deal. Sadly Hamas has shown that they would rather kill hundreds of Jewish civilians and put the lives of Gaza's civilians at risk and you are happy about it.
 

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And the Gazans cannot leave Gaza. They are trapped.
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Not fully true. I know Palestinians in Canada from Gaza. At least during peaceful times, there is regular traffic between Israel and Gaza for work, travel, and medical care. between Israel and Hamas it's not easy but it does happen.
 

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Does Israel have a "no negotiations" policy?

I'm guessing it does. Otherwise, hostage fees would eat up a chunk of the Israeli state budget.
They actually have a no one left behind policy which includes the dead. They won't always meet Palestinian demands in the swaps but they have routinely happened. I recall a while back Israel swapped almost 500 convicted Palestinians for one captured soldier.
 

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Bald numbers don't tell the whole story. A better breakdown would be number of armed combatants dead vs civilians.

Can't remember which news source it was from but the Israeli side was a couple dozen troops, a couple dozen police (which are legally civilians though would have been engaged in defending their towns) and the rest civilian. On the Palestinian side, they tend not to distinguish between dead combatants and civilians but very commonly they will post memorials of their soldiers who in past flare-ups have accounted for a significant number of the dead.
 
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I am sure Israel knows better, but this sort of thing is a mistake most western governments make. What we call terrorist movements are called freedom fighters by the people there. ...
The people we call terrorist movements are the people who choose to target civilians for their aims. The people we call freedom fighters are people who fight military targets.
 

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More violence won't help.
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Yet surprise, in all your posts, you haven't even hinted at criticism for Hamas for launching this attack which mainly targeted Israeli civilians.


p.s. Democratically elected Hamas? Maybe you could say that 20 years ago before their coup and their electoral mandate being long, long, expired.
 

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Not true.
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Depends on who is running the Palestinians. Hamas, PIJ, and PFLP are pretty clear what their goal is. Factions of Fatah also share that goal but the PA is not as open.

Just a reminder, Hamas' attackers chose butchered and kidnapped civilians.
 

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When the IDF starts winning, Hamas will undoubtedly hide out in civilian areas and try to blend in. Sounds like the Israelis are in no mood to be careful.
I'm sure they already are. The last major war they were holding press conferences in Gaza's largest hospital while launching rockets from it's parking lot.
 

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Finally the question is being asked on tv. What the fuck was Israeli intelligence doing? Why was it so easy to break through the flimsy security barriers? Complete failure by the people in charge. Netanyahu promises a long and hard battle. He's kind of a big part of the problem.
I have a feeling that Hamas' border protests/riots over the past week were intentionally planned to distract and mislead Israeli border observations.

And it's a lengthy border. No way could Israel afford to keep heavy forces on deployment all along it.
 

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I agree with that. I am talking about the people there. Its the same with the Khalistanis. They bomb a plane and kill 329 people, and now have their pictures up on the wall in a Gurdwara in Toronto and call them martyrs. Its how it goes.
Nice of you to bring your hatred of Sikhs who want independence into a concertation about Hamas trying to get a state by killing Jewish civilians.
 

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I have a feeling that Hamas' border protests/riots over the past week were intentionally planned to distract and mislead Israeli border observations.

And it's a lengthy border. No way could Israel afford to keep heavy forces on deployment all along it.
Two problems with that. Israeli intelligence being touted as the best in the world, shouldn't be distracted or foiled by protests and riots after all these years.
And they have one of these....
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