Israel at war

Butler1000

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worse and worse.

I some how I doubt those in Ottawa and Canada that think sunny days last for ever, or that the world is just one big happy place where hugs and feel food politics will solve the worlds problems.

Still to come. What if anything other groups and countries might do. How they might respond. And let’s not forget Russia and the Ukraine, China and lots of clouds in our own backyard.

Watch the markets tomorrow.
As I keep saying, and being told I'm an accelerationist, tough times are coming to the world. No one can predict the catalysts. Certainly no one saw this attack coming. But unintended consequences as other nations priorities come under threat can quickly cascade things.
 

Celticman

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Gaza only has 33% of its needed electricity supply. They have one three turbine plant but 66% of their power is supplied by Israel over 10 lines. If I were Israel I would turn off that power today and leave it off until all the hostages are returned. Gaza also has a desperate fresh water shortage. The limited Gaza electricity is crucial to water treatment and pumping. Turn off the Israel 10 power lines and put pressure on Hamas starved of water and electricity and see how that works.
CNN has reported that Israel has turned off the electricity that it supplies to Gaza. The remaining small amount of power still coming from Gaza's three turbine plant supplies perhaps 7% of their total need. If Israel bombs the power plant their will be no power in Gaza.
 

Robert Mugabe

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No, peace will come when the occupation or apartheid is ended.
I thought Yasser Arafat was put in charge of the Palestinians and given his own independent enclave with it's own security forces.
"and partly due to insistence for compromise by President Clinton, Barak offered Arafat a Palestinian state in 73 percent of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian percentage of sovereignty would extend to 90 percent over a ten- to twenty-five-year period. Also included in the offer was the return of a small number of refugees and compensation for those not allowed to return. Palestinians would also have "custodianship" over Al-Aqsa, sovereignty on all Islamic and Christian holy sites, and three of Jerusalem's four Old City quarters. Arafat rejected Barak's offer and refused to make an immediate counter-offer.[100] He told President Clinton that, "the Arab leader who would surrender Jerusalem is not born yet."[114]"
 

Robert Mugabe

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Seems that Gaza has been an intolerable pressure cooker for decades. Israel hasn't done anything to loosen the screws. Netanyahu probably wasn't the best option for diplomacy. Don't know how much they would have had to do to mollify the Palestinians, but some sort of compromise might have helped? Too late now.

US sending fleet to the region Yea!

Where did the rockets come from ? Iran. Where is Russia getting it's rockets from? Iran.
 

mandrill

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But its ok if that the US gives billions for weapons to Israel?
More violence won't fix anything, it'll just lead to more violence.

The people of Gaza tried protesting, Israel shot civilian protesters every friday for a year in 2018.
There have been no peace talks for 9 years.

Trying to subjugate the indigenous population through violence won't work for the minority apartheid rulers.
The only way left now is a South African style campaign to end apartheid.

Not violence.
Which I would support and sympathize with.

But Hamas apparently murdered a number of non Israeli kids attending a nearby music festival yesterday. For no reason.

The apartheid and the Palestinian violence feed off each other. But as long as Hamas attacks Israel, there is no incentive for Israelis to liberalize and they can self justify the violence and attacks.

Hamas and Hezbollah don't want any sort of rapprochement. They control the Palestinian population by claiming to protect them from Israel. The last thing Hamas wants is lasting peace.
 

Not getting younger

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How many Palestinian civilian deaths is that going to involve?
Undoubtably at least some. Don’t fire rockets into populated areas?

One thing we North Americans likely have any appreciation for, except the US after 9/11. Is what war/conflict is like when it’s your own backyard.
 

mandrill

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Undoubtably at least some. Don’t fire rockets into populated areas?
When the IDF starts winning, Hamas will undoubtedly hide out in civilian areas and try to blend in. Sounds like the Israelis are in no mood to be careful.
 
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