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News reporters and analysts are saying there was a breakdown in Israeli intelligence not seeing this attack coming. I wouldn't be
It’s almost like the ultra right politicians who are busy worrying about not going to jail do not act in the best interest of the people
When you think about it, the attacks actually help them and their politics.
 

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Netanyahu's policy of keeping a boot on the neck of the Palestinians in Gaza with no attempt to de escalate has brought it to this. Agreed that Hamas is totally invested in keeping the suffering of their people going, which makes it difficult to negotiate but the intolerable situation of the people, being used as pawns can only end like this.
Don't know if Israeli intelligence let it happen. A security breach like this looks suspicious. Seems hard to believe they were so completely caught with their pants down.
 

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But its ok if that the US gives billions for weapons to Israel?
More violence won't fix anything, it'll just lead to more violence.

The people of Gaza tried protesting, Israel shot civilian protesters every friday for a year in 2018.
There have been no peace talks for 9 years.

Trying to subjugate the indigenous population through violence won't work for the minority apartheid rulers.
The only way left now is a South African style campaign to end apartheid.

Not violence.
We can't bring Israel into line with all the money we give them? We should OWN them...
 

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Not the indigenous population resisting an illegal occupation.
You know that if Hamas attacks Israel, Israel will respond in kind.

You support Hamas launching rockets into Israel therefore you support the deaths of Gazan children and refugees. The logic is irrefutable.

That is sick.
 

mitchell76

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It’s almost like the ultra right politicians who are busy worrying about not going to jail do not act in the best interest of the people
It's more like the Ultra-left politicians, who don't act in the best interest, of the people!!
 

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You know that if Hamas attacks Israel, Israel will respond in kind.

You support Hamas launching rockets into Israel therefore you support the deaths of Gazan children and refugees. The logic is irrefutable.

That is sick.
Hopefully, Israel will wipe out Hamas, once and for all!!
 

mitchell76

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Netanyahu's policy of keeping a boot on the neck of the Palestinians in Gaza with no attempt to de escalate has brought it to this. Agreed that Hamas is totally invested in keeping the suffering of their people going, which makes it difficult to negotiate but the intolerable situation of the people, being used as pawns can only end like this.
Don't know if Israeli intelligence let it happen. A security breach like this looks suspicious. Seems hard to believe they were so completely caught with their pants down.
IMHO, Israel will bounce back. Israel has been it's own independent state since 1948, with a lot of enemies trying to take their state away from them. No enemy has been successful yet, in doing this!!


 

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Hopefully, Israel will wipe out Hamas, once and for all!!
If they could they already would. I don’t think it’s that easy when hamas hides behind civilians in a city setting plus miles of tunnels
 

mitchell76

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If they could they already would. I don’t think it’s that easy when hamas hides behind civilians in a city setting plus miles of tunnels
Fair enough, but Israel, will certainly kill as many Hamas people, as they can!!
 

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That's an antisemitic trope.
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You are an antisemitic trope.

You have openly stated that you think attacks on Jews in Israel are okay because a small number are militants and in your words "you can't tell them apart". And here you are trying to pretend that Jews quietly visiting their holiest site as approved by the Muslims overseeing the site justifies thousands of war crime rockets, killing hundreds of civilians including at least 250 festival goers, and kidnapping the elderly and children to use as hostages.

Hamas CHOSE to commit these crimes. As I said before, the Western word is united in their condemnation of Hamas but you choose to stand with Iran in praising them.
 
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The only peaceful and non-violent solution left is supporting BDS and international pressure to end apartheid.
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Yet you endorse violence.

The only non-violent solution is to push both sides to negotiate a peace deal. Sadly Hamas has shown that they would rather kill hundreds of Jewish civilians and put the lives of Gaza's civilians at risk and you are happy about it.
 

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And the Gazans cannot leave Gaza. They are trapped.
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Not fully true. I know Palestinians in Canada from Gaza. At least during peaceful times, there is regular traffic between Israel and Gaza for work, travel, and medical care. between Israel and Hamas it's not easy but it does happen.
 

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Does Israel have a "no negotiations" policy?

I'm guessing it does. Otherwise, hostage fees would eat up a chunk of the Israeli state budget.
They actually have a no one left behind policy which includes the dead. They won't always meet Palestinian demands in the swaps but they have routinely happened. I recall a while back Israel swapped almost 500 convicted Palestinians for one captured soldier.
 

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Bald numbers don't tell the whole story. A better breakdown would be number of armed combatants dead vs civilians.

Can't remember which news source it was from but the Israeli side was a couple dozen troops, a couple dozen police (which are legally civilians though would have been engaged in defending their towns) and the rest civilian. On the Palestinian side, they tend not to distinguish between dead combatants and civilians but very commonly they will post memorials of their soldiers who in past flare-ups have accounted for a significant number of the dead.
 
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